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Not sure how much stock to place in the BMW Blog offhand remark about ‘rumors’ of its demise, esp when we have ynguldyn indicating there will still be G97 (tagging just to keep him in the loop as he is the only reliable 'future model' source we have here ). I re-watched the technology workshop with Nicolai Martin and Alexander Karajlovic and, unless I’m missing the obvious, I don’t see where they comment at all on the F97-G97 variant? These presentations will understandably be all about the G45’s impending release (as they should be), and since it seems likely the G97 is still a good two years away (see my reasoning in post 28 - https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=28 ), there’s no reason for BMW to be clouding the G45 reveal with other model info. IMHO, that is. The X3MC is arguably the Performance Leader of this size SUV/SAV segment, and with such a remarkable engine in the S58, it wouldn’t be much of a stretch to take the G45 M50 all the way to full M greatness with the G97, and I just don’t see them throwing in the towel on such potential by taking the huge risk in offering only an EV iX3M version. As BMW always holds everything so close to their vest I could be completely wrong, though. And if so, we’ll keep both of our F97s for years to come as we have zero interest in an EV variant. Quote:
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If the above is right, then the X3M/IX3 M would be about 600hp.. |
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I'm ready to trade mine in with the same expectations you have, if not i might have to go back to the M8
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I heard a rumor the X'M's are done and the m50, m60 variants are next. and a new model of the XM at a better price bracket. But who knows, they just announced they have 50 new models coming in the next 5 years.....
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Condensing a discussion of the next gen X3M from the G45 thread, '2025 BMW X3 (G45) Prototype First Drive Reviews -- Articles & Videos', https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2097256 .
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Production numbers on X3M's might give us a better indication. If the X3M sales numbers did not meet their expectations, it may make sense in their eyes to kill production.
The X3M seems like a niche vehicle compared to the X3M40 which seems more practical and the better selling unit for the company. I love the X3M because it is the M3 of their SUV's and it is just perfect in my eyes. However, I am not sure that the overall market truly bought into that. People honestly do not know how good this vehicle is until they actually drive it... Could be completely wrong about this...but I guess time will tell.
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We're going to have to see how this all plays out, but at least we have a few more years of F97 production to sort through the options (I hope). If, what hb suggests becomes reality - that of an EV-only new X3MC version, suspect we'll purchase the last vestiges of this amazing ICE version in the next few years and hold on to them. |
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Well this makes me realize I made the correct decision in getting an F97 in the last model year of its availability.
If the replacement ends up being a full EV, it better be a quad motor monster that keeps the weight in the same ballpark as the current F97 and actually drops in price to be on par with the current performance EVs. There's a reason why they currently need to have a 9.9k loyalty credit on the iX.
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For our needs, current EVs bring too many issues to the table - inadequate infrastructure, vehicle weight, charging times, range, cost, resale value and less route flexibility on trips due to charging station locations/availability. While solid-state batteries (SSBs) will undoubtedly bring future improvements to some of those parameters c/w current EV systems, it seems a stretch to envision near-term equality to their ICE counterparts on many of those issues. While we’ve made strides in reducing our carbon footprint personally (energy efficient home with significant reduction in utility costs, all electric lawn and landscaping tools and recycling as just some examples), the F97 X3MC remains the one indulgence I can’t see giving up during these ‘early’ years of EV tech. It has significantly improved the driving experience for us – to the point where it’s no longer about just getting from point A to point B, it’s the enjoyment we obtain simply driving there. |
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Keeping up hope for an ICE G97 X3MC to build on the F97's great foundation...
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2025 X3M is a maybe. See link below @ 24.00mins
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Will be interesting to see how it all pans out. |
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IMO, BMW has dropped some serious clues that the G97 will not materialize…
The release of the G45 M50 looks like imo, the death of G97. The clues: as far as I know and remember, only range toppers for full M variants receive dual exhausts…. The X2 range topper is not a full M variant either but has dual exhausts…. Also why would BMW, with the release of the G45 change the designation of the M40i to M50? There are only minor differences engine wise??? Bummed
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The next clue is that the next M3 will be all electric, coming likely in 2026. So the S58 will be gone and the next X3M, if built will be all electric as well.
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Now into July and still no formal word from M as to what they're planning on doing with the X3MC series? Seems unlikely the iX3M would be ready for its reveal in August if they're dropping the ICE versions, and no info yet on nixing the G97, so we remain in limbo...
To pass the time, here's a rough idea how the G97 might (or could've?) appeared. |
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