[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Artdnj

if they didn't, the whole test should be invalidated.

Each individual test of tire competitors on one vehicle is valid, but comparisons across tests with different vehicles would not be.

[HeatJoey]

Originally Posted by MUSASHI66

Is this a test done with a same car for both tires, in same conditions? I don't believe that much of a difference for one second.

Good point I didn’t think about that just assumed yes, if not it would be hard to cross compare but yes it seems hard to be so different

[HeatJoey]

Originally Posted by MUSASHI66

The test with the Toyos, Falkens, Yokohamas, and BFgoodrich is "Testing Ultra High Performance All-Season Tires 2023" and it was done on a Subaru BRZ - https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=305

The other test with the DWS06 Plus is from 2021 and was done with a 2020 BMW F36 430i Gran Coupe. - https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=280

The two test are comparing apples and oranges. Only valid results are for the 4 tire comparison from the same test.

Makes sense, too bad you compare the bfg to the Dws for example

[HeatJoey]

I guess better than this is feedback from people here as we have the same car lol. Would love to hear feedback after you all replace your tires with any of thes selections

[joft6]

I'm about to be done with a set of PSAS4 on 699M staggered rims. Compared to stock Bridgestone's, tread-life is drastically better, dry handling and freezing temperatures are good, but wet handling is the best. Sidewall design is handsome too. The Run Flats ride is a little harsh but suitable for an RFT. They have saved me twice, but I would switch to Non-RFT next tire set.

[Artdnj]

Originally Posted by joft6

I'm about to be done with a set of PSAS4 on 699M staggered rims. Compared to stock Bridgestone's, tread-life is drastically better, dry handling and freezing temperatures are good, but wet handling is the best. Sidewall design is handsome too. The Run Flats ride is a little harsh but suitable for an RFT. They have saved me twice, but I would switch to Non-RFT next tire set.

How many miles did you get out of the Michelins?

[HeatJoey]

Tread life definitely matters!

[Artdnj]

Originally Posted by HeatJoey

Tread life definitely matters!

Pretty much the top reason for me. I plan on using the AS the term of the lease sans mileage already on the summers. At lease end, maybe a few months before, I'll reinstall the summer's for turn-in. I don't want to buy 2 sets over term.

Ofc, I'll most likely buy another BMW so it's a moot issue but Murphy's Law....

[ContactPatch]

Probably the most comprehensive tyre reviews can be found here. This guy is the best, his reviews cover every tyre and every test available. It's fun to watch him test tires on cars like the Supra.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/



https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/...-Tyre-Test.htm

^ All Season UHP tyres tested with a Challenger.^

TireRack reviews don't even compare!

[ez311]

Originally Posted by Artdnj

How many miles did you get out of the Michelins?

joft6 Also interested to learn how many miles to got out of the factory Bridgestone RFT's in addition to the Michelin AS4's.

[prototyp]

I had Michelin AS3+ on my E90, while better than those late-oughts-vintage runflats, they were still pretty unforgiving on our bumpy roads and super loud on the chip-n-seal that went down locally. Handled insanely well, but that's the tradeoff. Updates to the AS appeared to keep that crispness... My primary goal was to calm down the M40i's exceptionally-fidgety ride and given how crisp, sharp and somewhat harsh my own experience with the Michelins was, I went with Continental as they're generally regarded as a bit 'softer' but still up in that top-shelf realm of a balanced daily-driver tire.

After almost two years now on the DWS06+, I have to say ~at the right tire pressure~ in the stock size 20" staggered setup these are pretty much precisely perfect. They're best at a couple PSI over the onboard recommended (so, 35/38 ish) where the damping and spring rates all seem harmonious and their characteristics match the Jekyll/Hyde personality of the X3; calm, plush and quiet on the freeway grind but wake up and go pretty decently on a winding road.

Forget where I got the quote but this summed it up: "The DWS 06+ is 90% of the [performance] tire the AS3+ was with 100% better road manners"

[ez311]

Originally Posted by prototyp

I had Michelin AS3+ on my E90, while better than those late-oughts-vintage runflats, they were still pretty unforgiving on our bumpy roads and super loud on the chip-n-seal that went down locally. Handled insanely well, but that's the tradeoff. Updates to the AS appeared to keep that crispness... My primary goal was to calm down the M40i's exceptionally-fidgety ride and given how crisp, sharp and somewhat harsh my own experience with the Michelins was, I went with Continental as they're generally regarded as a bit 'softer' but still up in that top-shelf realm of a balanced daily-driver tire.

After almost two years now on the DWS06+, I have to say ~at the right tire pressure~ in the stock size 20" staggered setup these are pretty much precisely perfect. They're best at a couple PSI over the onboard recommended (so, 35/38 ish) where the damping and spring rates all seem harmonious and their characteristics match the Jekyll/Hyde personality of the X3; calm, plush and quiet on the freeway grind but wake up and go pretty decently on a winding road.

Forget where I got the quote but this summed it up: "The DWS 06+ is 90% of the [performance] tire the AS3+ was with 100% better road manners"

Interesting. I had two sets of AS3+ on my F30 335 (2 cars back). As most of my miles are highway, I never thought they were loud at all. Got about 32K miles out of the 1st set, and sold with ~ 27K miles on the second set (and not that close to needing replacement). With that said, I cannot compare directly to the DWS06 but the various reviews to seem to callout ride comfort as a positive quality.

[HeatJoey]

You guys have me leaning now towards the contis over the ps4’s…. Except I can’t ignore the almost half price vredsteins… I’ve had them and the ps4 recently and didn’t find the ps4 to be almost twice as good…

Keep in mind , for non track normal driving these are still SUVs lol. I went through almost every tire made on my 4 scat packs and hellcat and you know what I found at the end, the only thing that I noticed different with all of them was price and tread life. I went through summers and all seasons including two sets of ps4, general max, bfg, contis summer, coopers, Firestone Indy 500’s, just to name a few. I also learned. There is no reason to buy summers , every summer I had lasted half of the same tire in all season flavor. So essentially they are double the price. I think the difference of the top choices for our cars are all close .. it sends me back to tread life and price really. I mean how many of you are going to track and need 0.0001 better g force or slalom lol. You get my point. Besides with my power stops there can’t be any track driving anyhow lol.. they’ll be mush by lap 2.

I won’t decide now as I belive I have about 10k miles left of life (I’m at about 6k) so when the time nears I’ll likely select then based on availability and price . I doubt there is much tread life difference between these three?

[prototyp]

Originally Posted by ez311

Interesting. I had two sets of AS3+ on my F30 335 (2 cars back). As most of my miles are highway, I never thought they were loud at all. Got about 32K miles out of the 1st set, and sold with ~ 27K miles on the second set (and not that close to needing replacement). With that said, I cannot compare directly to the DWS06 but the various reviews to seem to callout ride comfort as a positive quality.

Oh, the AS3 were mostly quiet most of the time... just the 15 or so miles near where I live that got repaved with some variation of chip-and-seal which made the car erupt in road noise. Was worse with the AS3 than was with the PS3 or runflats before them. Probably down to some specific frequency interactions...

[joft6]

Originally Posted by Artdnj

How many miles did you get out of the Michelins?

Originally Posted by ez311

joft6 Also interested to learn how many miles to got out of the factory Bridgestone RFT's in addition to the Michelin AS4's.

The factory Bridgestones lasted 22,000 miles with 3/32 tread life.
The Michelins are currently at 21,000 miles with 5-6/32 treadlife

[glennbk]

Originally Posted by ContactPatch

@HJ: The 3 best tires on from your comparison look interesting, would not mind having any one of the three. Stopping distance in the wet is impressive like you mentioned, tough choice here!

1. BF Goodrich g-force-comp All Season Plus
2. Falken Azenis FK460 A/S
3. Yokohama Advan Sport A/S+

***REMEMBER: Michelin owns BF Goodrich and shares compounds. The biggest difference is the tread pattern. Having owned the G-Force, I can tell you they are louder than the AS4 and have a unique drone. They are a good tire, but I decided that I owned a BMW now and only quality tires will be put on this machine.

[HeatJoey]

Originally Posted by glennbk

***REMEMBER: Michelin owns BF Goodrich and shares compounds. The biggest difference is the tread pattern. Having owned the G-Force, I can tell you they are louder than the AS4 and have a unique drone. They are a good tire, but I decided that I owned a BMW now and only quality tires will be put on this machine.

Hard to argue with your last sentence ! I’m tempted not to wait until these are dead, when we switched my son from OEM run flat on his m340 to ps4as, it was a significant improvement at least in ride quality .

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by HeatJoey

Hard to argue with your last sentence ! I’m tempted not to wait until these are dead, when we switched my son from OEM run flat on his m340 to ps4as, it was a significant improvement at least in ride quality .

Must admit, treadwear and cost are at the bottom of my list for tire purchases. Traction, braking, and handling are my priorities, followed by ride quality and noise. I know this is obvious, but I always remind myself that the only thing connecting me to the rest of the world are the tires...not a place for anything but the best I can find.