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In this SAV class, BMW did us continuing X3 owners well. It feels like they really listened because many of the issues that plagued the F25 seem to have been resolved. The M40i will hang with a Macan GTS with little trouble and if everything pans out the way it's looking, the X3M will be a segment monster that will force a Macan Turbo S out of Porsche and give the Stelvio QV and the AMG 63S a run as well. I will reserve further judgment until I receive mine but I am glad I will be getting one. Great job BMW.
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Regarding our discussion in the past about the G02 X4 M40i, clearly it too will get nothing less than 355hp. At the same time, I think it's a very safe bet now that it will get no more than that either (i.e. same engine as the X3 M40i), meaning no bump from one generation to the next. However, maybe I'll end up being wrong about that too. But, once the true M models are unveiled in roughly a year or so with 100hp+ more, everyone will forget all about these M Performance models anyway.
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C&D has detailed test sheets of both the S and GTS with straight and weather normalized times. Other domestic mags have also hit under 4.5s and 1/4 times within a tenth, as have countless posted time slips. The previous US Spec SQ5 has hit 4.9s, so a Macan isn't going to be slower than that.
C&D lists stability control off, with Comp mode on and Launch Control engaged for the GTS to get their 4.4s 0-60 with an amusingly slow 13.0 1/4 at 105. That's on the awful Michelin Latitudes. But regardless, the X3 should be close to or quicker than that. I was just answering what competition is available with similar acceleration under $70k. So there's the Macan, likely the new SQ5, and technically, the SRT GC. |
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Ok, let´s be real, the comparison with the Macan is a bit unjust, the Macan is based on the old Q5, and looking inside the Macan, it relieves old tech, one button for each feature - are you kidding me?
Not much premium or new tech, performance - sure. But in real life, pretty much the only competitor for BMW G01 these days (in EU), is the new Q5 and partially the new Volvo XC60, the Jag is also hopeless dated inside. When the PHEV G01 comes, along side the X3M, it will be a very competitive line up, and the most complete amongst all brands imo. The BS about weak brand and BMW loosing it´s way, the truth is, they have never been in a better position than these days, don´t look back, look ahead. :-)
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Kids complain hence why I called you that and I put it in quotes because I know you are 45 plus years of age. I think BMW is not for you any more though. On a serious note, you should go shopping with other companies that suite your complaining, opps, I mean style. Good Luck Alpine. |
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But when these Cars/SUVs are pushed to the absolute limit, the performance speaks for itself. Especially with properly equipped tires, very important so you can squeeze and extra 10% of grip. I have a heavy 335 GT, 4300 lbs with my ass sitting in it. And I can still take turns that I normally wont in a Lexus rental, or Jag. Not every new BMW will be as nimble as a 330ci was in 2001. Or feel as solid as a beautiful 2003 540i M-Sport edition. I get it, trust me. The one thing I learned is adapting to change and adjusting your driving habits to remind you of a hint of the past. Like I said, drive your BMW at its limit and you will see what I'm talking about. |
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Time will catch up to BMW and they'll either respond in a positive way by providing that "Ultimate Driving Machine" feeling once again, or they will continue down a path where other brands will continue to surpass them in the driving experience. Honda went through something similar through the 2000's and now they have just recently started to make their cars again more in a direction for what Honda was known for mostly in the 90's. |
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Performance wise, X3/X4 M40i will compete with Macan GTS/GLC43 AMG(C)/SQ5/M Levante/J FPaceS. The question here is: Can the M40i outperform the GTS? Performance wise, X3M/X4M will compete with Macan Turbo(PP & S)/GLC63(S)AMG(C)/AR Stelvio QV/RSQ5/and yes...the upcoming Urus. Not including the Urus(lol), can the Stelvio QV take out the AMG63S before Porsche brings the S to market? We will know in September. GC SRT and the GC Trackhawk are in X5 territory which is not in the same class even though the may fall in similar price ranges. The Trackhawk will most likely be close to the 100k range.
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I do not wish to preach, but with that said, I must respectfully disagree with your assessment as to why some keep purchasing the X3, or a BMW in general. Trust when I say that I am not a blind loyalist when I make a vehicle purchase. It is one that is thoughtfully assessed. And I do have a few years on you (which honestly shouldn't even enter into the equation if valid points are made). And I have owned a host of BMWs and other major Mnfrs' offerings as well. This X3 fits our family perfectly. Size, performance, cargo-load (which keeps getting skewed in the discussions - why does the Macan keep showing up in this cargo class, regardless of how well it performs it will never be on our radar screen as it can't carry what we need it to carry?), and cabin experience (with the discrepancies of past generations now being rectified). So regardless of what the automotive industry perceives (rightly or wrongly) as a mis-guided direction from BMW Corporate, please understand they are making vehicles which some of us do like, wish to voluntarily purchase with full knowledge of other brands' offerings, and may actually know what they are doing is best for their families. Apologies in advance for the length of this post, and best wishes in everyone's choices for a vehicle which fits their requirements moving forward. |
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Reveal of the G01 X3 at the Spartanburg plant on Monday:
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Reveal of the G01 X3 at the Spartanburg plant on Monday:
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They grills are too big IMO. I'm so happy they finally cut the headlights exending into the grill look. That has been something that's needed to go for a while. There is something weird about the back too, mainly the taillights, but I'm sure it will grow on me. They put in an uber aggressive hoffmeister kink, if you can call it that, so the side profile is odd to me.
It disappoints me that it's not really any lighter but I guess that's due to the increased amount of tech on board. I don't like the interior navigation style, tablet jammed in the dash look, even though they're nice because of how large they are. I guess the benefit of this generation will be better usability with increased tech. It's unforunate but it doesn't really grab me like the prior generation did. Overall, seems similar to the updates we saw from the F10 to the G30.
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