[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Mako

$80k loaded.

Starting around $70k

US pricing.
Figure $15k more than how you would build a X3 M40i

Agree- pricing will very likely match the F80 M3 pricing... as this will arrive next spring sometime probably after dealers will have cleared out their F80 inventory.

[3geekfamily]

Originally Posted by Mrida335

I think the OP maybe mis designated as an F97. It's clearly based on the G platform and would have to be to keep in line with the model lineup. Manufacturing parts, processes, and methods plus the weight savings just between the F and G series would not be something Bmw would silo.

I doubt it. The new M5 is the F90, vs the G50 (I think) 5-series.

In the past, the M-cars have always been the same designation - the E36, E46, E90, etc M3 - until the F30 3-series and the F-80 M3, which indicated that there was separate, parallel chassis development done, above and beyond the normal 'take the car and make it an M' approach.

This is just more of that, though it is confusing how they're now splitting the same generation of car between Fxx and Gxx designations.

[wdskukm3]

Not really a fan of that upper rear spoiler. Never really like that look. But everything else I will rock it.

[Mrida335]

Originally Posted by 3geekfamily

I doubt it. The new M5 is the F90, vs the G50 (I think) 5-series.

In the past, the M-cars have always been the same designation - the E36, E46, E90, etc M3 - until the F30 3-series and the F-80 M3, which indicated that there was separate, parallel chassis development done, above and beyond the normal 'take the car and make it an M' approach.

This is just more of that, though it is confusing how they're now splitting the same generation of car between Fxx and Gxx designations.

Very good point you raise on the new M5 designation, vs regular 5 series. It is odd though. Maybe M model cars are diverging further and further from the regular model line that chassis codes are going to get a little wonky.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Looks narrow, hoping it gets those fender extensions similar to the X5M and wider wheel/tire setup.

Agree. It needs the X5M fender(wheel well) flares bad. It does not look like a M, way too narrow. It should look wider than a regular M40i.

[F36GC]

Thank You Pal Bay for the spy shot.

I wonder how much HP & Torque it offers compare to the M40i

[ZHPsedan]

Originally Posted by Mrida335

Very good point you raise on the new M5 designation, vs regular 5 series. It is odd though. Maybe M model cars are diverging further and further from the regular model line that chassis codes are going to get a little wonky.

It has something to do with the overall design language of M cars for them to be still in the F designation. I think there will be some large switch(like the M8) for M cars to be in the G designation or beyond.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by BMWRichmond

Thank You Pal Bay for the spy shot.

I wonder how much HP & Torque it offers compare to the M40i

rumors have been anywhere from 450-475 HP, haven't seen much on torque

I am hoping at least 460 HP 450 torque, BMW rated, meaning it will actually be around 500 HP on dyno and about equal with GLC63 and Stelvio Quad, plus should be lighter than both of them and handle better.
I would expect about a 0.5 second 0-60 difference from the M40i, so maybe 3.9 on the X3M compared to 4.4 of the M40i, real difference will be 0-100, 1/4 mile, and track times.

[psuibmw]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Agree. It needs the X5M fender(wheel well) flares bad. It does not look like a M, way too narrow. It should look wider than a regular M40i.

I too wish the M car is different and can be visually identified from the M40i ... The F90 and the G30 are not distinguishable like the F30 and F80

[OOOSQ]

Niceeeee

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Agree. It needs the X5M fender(wheel well) flares bad. It does not look like a M, way too narrow. It should look wider than a regular M40i.

This vehicle is still a year from production ..... This is not a FINAL PRODUCT.

it's a test wagen... which means.. it very well COULD be an X3M40 chassis but simply has the updated drivetrain and exhaust , bumpers, rockers, and mirrors.

The 1 series M testwagens originally looked like a 135... they didn't show off the BODYWORK until the full reveal much later,, and they also were red, not Valencia orange.

See the following thread... and check out the various photos and conditions of the various testwagens.

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show...ight=testwagen

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by Mako

rumors have been anywhere from 450-475 HP, haven't seen much on torque

I am hoping at least 460 HP 450 torque, BMW rated, meaning it will actually be around 500 HP on dyno and about equal with GLC63 and Stelvio Quad, plus should be lighter than both of them and handle better.
I would expect about a 0.5 second 0-60 difference from the M40i, so maybe 3.9 on the X3M compared to 4.4 of the M40i, real difference will be 0-100, 1/4 mile, and track times.

That would be perfect 0-60 3.9s or better, but exactly the important will be the 1/2 mile, 0-100 and Nurburgring times.

I am hoping for
0-60: 3.8-3.9s and CP 3.5-3.7s
1/4 mile: 12.0-12.1 and CP 11.7-11.8

Palbay definitely appreciate the SPY Pics

[raysspl]

Wow, it looks very promising. Can't wait to see the whole thing

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Mako

$80k loaded.

Starting around $70k

US pricing.
Figure $15k more than how you would build a X3 M40i

Add $5-6K to each of those estimates.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Agree- pricing will very likely match the F80 M3 pricing... as this will arrive next spring sometime probably after dealers will have cleared out their F80 inventory.

Count on $6K more than F80 pricing. The F30 340i is $6K less than the G01 M40i equivalent. There is a premium when you go to the SAV chassis.

[duky]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

This vehicle is still a year from production ..... This is not a FINAL PRODUCT.

it's a test wagen... which means.. it very well COULD be an X3M40 chassis but simply has the updated drivetrain and exhaust , bumpers, rockers, and mirrors.

The 1 series M testwagens originally looked like a 135... they didn't show off the BODYWORK until the full reveal much later,, and they also were red, not Valencia orange.

See the following thread... and check out the various photos and conditions of the various testwagens.

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show...ight=testwagen

All of the photos of the 1M in development in that thread clearly show widened fenders though

[Mako]

Originally Posted by SamS

Count on $6K more than F80 pricing. The F30 340i is $6K less than the G01 M40i equivalent. There is a premium when you go to the SAV chassis.

Then how do you explain X5M vs M5?

3 series used to cost more than X3
I would put money on X3M starting at $70k. X3 M40i doesn't compare to 340i. Brand new vs dated car and lots of things different between them including power.

[kozzi]

Originally Posted by Mako

Then how do you explain X5M vs M5?

3 series used to cost more than X3
I would put money on X3M starting at $70k. X3 M40i doesn't compare to 340i. Brand new vs dated car and lots of things different between them including power.

Current X5M is about the same price as the new M5. Equally optioned the M5 is only @$100 more. We will see how the prices compare when the new X5M is released next year.

I agree the X3 M40i does not compare to the 340i. The M340i is where the comparison would be more accurate. I think the M340i will be slightly more expensive because it will also have XDrive.

Pricing between the M3 and X3M (non-CP versions) will be similar but could see the SAV being more expensive because of the lack of M XDrive in the M3. I doubt we will see the X3M with M XDrive or a RWD mode.

IMO, the X3M (non-CP) will be just around $80K fully loaded and an additional $5K for the CP version in 2021. I add the additional $5K to the SAV because of the additional cost of XDrive compared to the M3 being RWD only.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by Mrida335

Very good point you raise on the new M5 designation, vs regular 5 series. It is odd though. Maybe M model cars are diverging further and further from the regular model line that chassis codes are going to get a little wonky.

Originally Posted by ZHPsedan

It has something to do with the overall design language of M cars for them to be still in the F designation. I think there will be some large switch(like the M8) for M cars to be in the G designation or beyond.

In the case of the M5, it's actually the opposite of what you're suggesting, ZHPsedan. The newest M5 is designated F90 because M started development work so long ago, they have been working on parts of this vehicle since before BMW began developing the G30 5 series itself. This is the first time as far as I know that development of an M vehicle actually predates the basic BMW vehicle itslef. I don't know what, specifically, was designed first but I would guess they began work on the M xDrive system long ago knowing how controversial it would be unless it was executed just right.

[Mrida335]

Originally Posted by Remonster

In the case of the M5, it's actually the opposite of what you're suggesting, ZHPsedan. The newest M5 is designated F90 because M started development work so long ago, they have been working on parts of this vehicle since before BMW began developing the G30 5 series itself. This is the first time as far as I know that development of an M vehicle actually predates the basic BMW vehicle itslef. I don't know what, specifically, was designed first but I would guess they began work on the M xDrive system long ago knowing how controversial it would be unless it was executed just right.

What you certainly makes a lot of sense. I wonder in this application if there was ultimately a similar thought process as BMW must have seen how AMG and Porsche were pushing this area.

[Palbay]

Originally Posted by kozzi

Thank you Palbay. Did you get a chance to hear how it sounds? Always appreciate your photos.

Apparently Summer / Fall of 2019 as a 2020 model with a possible CP version at SOP or the year after in 2021.

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=901686

This is starting to take shape nicely although IMO, it is missing some of the aggressive characteristics one comes to expect from M vehicles.

I'm in the same boat. Want bad! There are a bunch of folks that have been waiting a long time for this one.

Originally Posted by kozzi

Thank you Palbay. Did you get a chance to hear how it sounds? Always appreciate your photos.

Apparently Summer / Fall of 2019 as a 2020 model with a possible CP version at SOP or the year after in 2021.

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=901686

This is starting to take shape nicely although IMO, it is missing some of the aggressive characteristics one comes to expect from M vehicles.

I'm in the same boat. Want bad! There are a bunch of folks that have been waiting a long time for this one.

@kozzi Thanks much. Not quite been close enough to get a good listen. It does do a little "Pop/Crackle" on off throttle after hard acceleration as car moves away from me. Would be hard to ID engine...from afar...

[Palbay]

Originally Posted by yllwwgn

Thanks Palbay! I have to know those tire sizes... I swear they look like a 255/45r20 285/40r20 mix. Hmmm....

Originally Posted by yllwwgn

Thanks Palbay! I have to know those tire sizes... I swear they look like a 255/45r20 285/40r20 mix. Hmmm....

Thank you. Got my eyes peeled for you on those tire sizes...