[dinan5m3]

In my simple minded term, give the workers what they "deserve". At the end of the day, happier worker --> better cars produced, right? And that "should" also translate to happier consumers. This is what concerns me about the Tesla workers. They are overworked to death, so you tell me, do you think a better/good products can come out of such environment, even if they do some kind of random sampling out of 100's of thousands of vehicles that come out of that place? Urgh...

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by dinan5m3

In my simple minded term, give the workers what they "deserve". At the end of the day, happier worker —> better cars produced, right? And that "should" also translate to happier consumers. This is what concerns me about the Tesla workers. They are overworked to death, so you tell me, do you think a better/good products can come out of such environment, even if they do some kind of random sampling out of 100's of thousands of vehicles that come out of that place? Urgh...

Tesla has way different margins that BMW... Tesla has so much room to discount because they make crazy $ off their cars... so there ur getting crappy built cars just on product input costs being rock bottom alone.

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Tesla panel gaps are the best:

[dinan5m3]

If Tesla has such higher margin and room for even more discount (for reference, i paid $89,990 for the new 2024 X Plaid, before tax for >1,050 hp and 0-60 2.5 sec, and <10 sec 1/4 mile car, that is pretty darn good, IMHO) then exactly, "pay your workers!!!".

And yes, Tesla's panel gap is very generous, makes ppf'ing lot simpler, lol...

oh, and about Boeing fiasco, yep, that's what happens when company puts "greed" ahead of engineering. As pundits say, move your damn HQ back to the pudget sound, better yet, the leaderships should be the one sleeping on the factory floor.

rant: and US auto workers? they lack the "collective" discipline (and culture) that other places like in Germany, China and Japan all have.

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Mind blowing performance numbers for $89k.


And yes, Tesla's panel gap is very generous, makes ppf'ing lot simpler, lol...


Just tuck the PPF right under with a finger...

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by dinan5m3

If Tesla has such higher margin and room for even more discount (for reference, i paid $89,990 for the new 2024 X Plaid, before tax for >1,050 hp and 0-60 2.5 sec, and <10 sec 1/4 mile car, that is pretty darn good, IMHO) then exactly, "pay your workers!!!".

And yes, Tesla's panel gap is very generous, makes ppf'ing lot simpler, lol...

oh, and about Boeing fiasco, yep, that's what happens when company puts "greed" ahead of engineering. As pundits say, move your damn HQ back to the pudget sound, better yet, the leaderships should be the one sleeping on the factory floor.

rant: and US auto workers? they lack the "collective" discipline (and culture) that other places like in Germany, China and Japan all have.

reading thru this thread... it sounds like folks have more of an issue w capitalism than anything lol... no one usually wants to mention it but that's reality...

the US plant was built to have direct access to US markets, tax breaks and to get incentives for providing US jobs... i want quality just as much as the next guy but that's how this works... as far as Boeing, that should be a nationalized company... its the only US major airplane manufacturer and 50% of its business is already government...

[avi66]

Originally Posted by ASAP

reading thru this thread... it sounds like folks have more of an issue w capitalism than anything lol... no one usually wants to mention it but that's reality...

Is poor quality a tenant of capitalism?

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by avi66

Is poor quality a tenant of capitalism?

to maximize margins and shareholder wealth... sadly yes... i dont agree but thats how it goes...

[avi66]

Originally Posted by ASAP

to maximize margins and shareholder wealth... sadly yes... i dont agree but thats how it goes...

So what happens to Boeing shareholder wealth when the doors fall off ?

There’s a balance, and some companies manage it better than others. Greed to the detriment of all else doesn’t make for a sustainable company.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by avi66

So what happens to Boeing shareholder wealth when the doors fall off ?

There’s a balance, and some companies manage it better than others. Greed to the detriment of all else doesn’t make for a sustainable company.

Boeing is still somehow doing well... but what they got away with is appalling...

all i am saying is... cost will be naturally cut and prices raised until the market can no longer sees the value and moves to other competitors... bmw just had another borderline record year... so the new 5 series is more expensive and has poorer interior build quality... thats just how it works...

[TXGrey]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Boeing is still somehow doing well... but what they got away with is appalling...

all i am saying is... cost will be naturally cut and prices raised until the market can no longer sees the value and moves to other competitors... bmw just had another borderline record year... so the new 5 series is more expensive and has poorer interior build quality... thats just how it works...

Good discussion over on the Macan forum about this very concept. Many over there feel that Porsche has priced itself out of the (Macan) market (more or less). There’s many plausible reasons as to why Porsche feels the need to raise its prices so much… it’s not like they are a dumb company. If anything, Porsche may be the best in the world about getting people to part with their money. Regardless- I think Macan sales will continue to suffer. Time will tell…

[TXGrey]

To reply on topic - I have found very little quality issue(s) with my ‘21 X4… in fact, coming straight out of a Porsche, I’m still really impressed at this point. So much that I’m having a hard time coming up with a next (car) option besides another BMW.

[X3rd Time Is a Charm]

Being a Non-Union Shop or Union Shop pretty much was nothing to do with quality. It’s the individual’s that has a lot to do with why there’s poor quality in autos and building’s Ect. I worked out of a Union Hall for 39 years as an Electrician , we were Taught to have nothing but Pride in our work and craftsmanship. I understand building trades and manufacturing unions are very different in a lot of the ways things are done. I may sound biased,But If you were to come out of the hall and were doing shoddy work or weren’t performing, it was a revolving door. You would be laid off in a heartbeat and replaced the same day .Not sure what you do for a living but , just keep one thing in mind . If this country didn’t have Unions,chances are you probably wouldn’t be driving a BMW . Unions built this country and have set the pace for fare wages and to stop companies from putting all of the dough into their pockets. Again, it’s not a Union or Non-Union reason for poor Quality Control, it has all to do with the individual , how you are trained and to be trained how to do your Job properly.

[jsh139]

Originally Posted by TXGrey

To reply on topic - I have found very little quality issue(s) with my ‘21 X4… in fact, coming straight out of a Porsche, I’m still really impressed at this point. So much that I’m having a hard time coming up with a next (car) option besides another BMW.

Same with my 2022 X3. I can't think of anything that I would chalk up to a quality control issue. But, one could argue that in and of itself is not good. That many have issues and others don't.

[DCG]

BMW poorly executed 2024 BMW X4's Rubber Weather Striping Door Seals Compression Holes

On our new 2024 BMW X4, I would have only detected what I deem 'Quality Control' issues "Slices/Tears/Holes" in the Foam Rubber Weather Striping Door Seals inside the folds on all of the (4) exterior Driver’s and Passengers’ Front and Rear Back Doors while applying awesome highly recommended Zymöl Seal Rubber Conditioner which is a clear glycerin-based conditioner to the new Weather Striping Door Seals.

NOTE: The Interior and the Trunk Door Seals on the SAV's Body Frame are not affected as they have the proper clean punch holes for compression.

I was contacted by BMW North America, and the BMW Northeast Dealership which they just received replacement seals in, and they have the exact same what I deem poorly executed 1.5" to 2" tears-holes. To me it either happened during installation or whatever machine they're running these rolls of rubber seals through is NOT punching the holes properly, as I've had in three other BMW cars since 2003. Below is a photograph with a red circle depicting with I deem incredibly poorly designed and poorly executed Compression Holes. Here is a picture of our 2024 X4's Trunk Weather Stripping Seals with what I deem and seen for two-decades with previously owned BMWs that had a proper and cleanly executed Small Circular Ventilation Holes punched.

I was told directly that they spoke with the BMW Engineers, and this is designed for compression which I totally get, BUT the execution of what I deem a slash-tear is incredibly poorly executed and to me unacceptable. BMW needs to design and produce clean Circular Compression Hole Punches just like the X4's Trunk has and all the other BMW vehicles that I've previously owned.

QUESTION: Question for BMW Engineers, why does the BMW's X4 trunk have Cleanly Punched Circular Compression Hole while the 4-Doors do NOT? It makes NO sense and it is not consistent, and it looks like a sloppy botched job. It is absolutely NOT ACCEPTABLE!!! Need to fixed this ASAP!

[Leem40i]

I am of the opinion that a series of German supermodels wearing string bikinis put my car together and gently caress each part in place. Please don't ruin it for me

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Originally Posted by Leem40i

I am of the opinion that a series of German supermodels wearing string bikinis put my car together and gently caress each part in place. Please don't ruin it for me

Heidi built my car...