[brava09]

Originally Posted by DgjoX6M2016

Well thanks for the insightful info. Are the vehicles same dry weights?

C63 is about 3-400 lbs heavier than M4., they are still in the same class of cars, if that's your point about Jag being heavier by 200lbs

[OhMyXM]

Originally Posted by ThumperMCS

I agree...

If anyone thinks the X3MC is sluggish...they simply are not driving it right. The car absolutely MOVES. I came from a Tuned B58 in an M240i...and at first I actually thought my M240i felt quicker. But now that I'm revving my X3MC out more and towards the end of the break-in...no way was my old B58 car quicker. I think the power curve and how the S58 makes power throws some people off...its such a smooth wave of torque/power, it kind of masks how fast it actually is. Did a little pull on the toll road today and looked down and was going 130, without even trying or noticing. It is M5 fast...

Maybe if you have it in Efficient and D1 and don't rev it out...it might seem "sluggish"?

Originally Posted by AlexFL

I have owned the F82 ZCP and my X3MC (an SUV!) comes extremely close performance-wise. It is not a "sluggish car" by any effing means. It is as fast as the GLC 63s coupe (not the regular 63) and will absolutely wipe the floor with any B58 beamer in any setting (yes, I had an X3 M40i for 3-4 months prior to buying the MC). Few questions to your test drive. Were you even allowed to rev it up (break-in service)? Did you play around with different engine/transmission settings? Did you warm up the engine in an appropriate manner (because warming up the S58 takes a while)?

Originally Posted by ThumperMCS

I agree...

If anyone thinks the X3MC is sluggish...they simply are not driving it right. The car absolutely MOVES. I came from a Tuned B58 in an M240i...and at first I actually thought my M240i felt quicker. But now that I'm revving my X3MC out more and towards the end of the break-in...no way was my old B58 car quicker. I think the power curve and how the S58 makes power throws some people off...its such a smooth wave of torque/power, it kind of masks how fast it actually is. Did a little pull on the toll road today and looked down and was going 130, without even trying or noticing. It is M5 fast...

Maybe if you have it in Efficient and D1 and don't rev it out...it might seem "sluggish"?

Yeah, I am with you on that! No way was I saying sluggish!! Maybe he meant something different...? Like it doesn't feel as fast as it really is... Even when I am gently starting off from a stop light, all the other cars are disappearing behind me! The "roughness" I spoke of is how you can feel the car grabbing gears (not violently like a '73RSR or anything) with assurance and pulling as soon as it is engaged. However, it does all of this so smoothly! I have driven lots of fast cars over the years and this one contends with most of them! I am actually trying to restrain her more to get my gas mileage a bit better than my current 12.8 and not blow through rear tires too quick 😂😂. I absolutely love this machine!! Getting close to 5k miles and find any excuse to drive her! I just go look at her in the garage several times a day. In both our M40 and MC, you really need to keep checking your speed!! It is too easy to be well above the limit!! And doing it in sheer comfort too!

[LLNM4]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

Love the "if the X3M used launch control" replies. Convenient that when the result isn't quite what we expected we are quick to blame some aspect of the set up, like track set up or use of LC. LC is always controversial with many saying it's complete garbage. If they had used it and the outcome was exactly the same people would be blaming the LC.

As much bc as we want the X3M to annihilate every competitor, it didn't, let's just live with it for what it is.

Wow and you driving a e90 335? That's so 2005...
Use LC and a proper driver. I have seen other european reviews were it annihilatie every SUV beisdes the X-Model P100s

[e90335e36m3]

Originally Posted by LLNM4

Wow and you driving a e90 335? That's so 2005...
Use LC and a proper driver. I have seen other european reviews were it annihilatie every SUV beisdes the X-Model P100s

Originally Posted by LLNM4

Wow and you driving a e90 335? That's so 2005...
Use LC and a proper driver. I have seen other european reviews were it annihilatie every SUV beisdes the X-Model P100s

What does what I drive have to do with the logic of what I'm saying, or do you do you resort to ad hominem attacks when you disagree with someone. Internet tough guy.

Let me know how that retrofitted CS spoiler works on your M4. Here's how it looks on my paid down 2019 CS.

[FSociety]

Good thing Bootmod3 fixed the X3M and now has them at 10.9-11.1 1/4 mile with just a STG1 93

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Good thing Bootmod3 fixed the X3M and now has them at 10.9-11.1 1/4 mile with just a STG1 93

Wow its breaking into the 10s with just a stg1 tune? Thats crazy fast.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Wow its breaking into the 10s with just a stg1 tune? Thats crazy fast.

Even stock X3 MC does 1/4 in 11.6.

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

No, it's different. M40i with B58 has way better power response.

B58 is the most lag free turbine engine I have ever experienced, I wouldn't even know it's turbo if you didn't tell me...

[doberzus]

Re-watching this video once more you can clearly see both cars used LC.

They both squat down prior to takeoff. Whether it was actual LC or not, both cars had brake-boosted launches.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by doberzus

Re-watching this video once more you can clearly see both cars used LC.

They both squat down prior to takeoff. Whether it was actual LC or not, both cars had brake-boosted launches.

no, X3M would destroy the Jaguar with LC off the line, multiple magazines have tested both and the X3M is 0.5 seconds+ quicker 0-60 with LC being used.

[SM2]

Originally Posted by ///Motivated

If you find a 2019 M3 I suggest you grab it up immediately. They are more rare than unicorns!!!

You mean 2018 M3 or 2019 M4?

[MRichmond]

Originally Posted by doberzus

Re-watching this video once more you can clearly see both cars used LC.

They both squat down prior to takeoff. Whether it was actual LC or not, both cars had brake-boosted launches.

The Jag does not have LC.

[///M TOWN]

That Jaguar seriously sounds the business.

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by Mako

no, X3M would destroy the Jaguar with LC off the line, multiple magazines have tested both and the X3M is 0.5 seconds+ quicker 0-60 with LC being used.

Originally Posted by MRichmond

The Jag does not have LC.

LC or no LC, both cars "brake-boosted" prior to take off. You can clearly see that at the 34-36 second mark in the video.

Cars don't just hunker down without brake-boosting. You can see both rear ends drop prior to take off.

Both cars used that method, per the video shown. Also, they are testing these cars in South Africa (i.e. Johannesburg has an elevation of 5750ft) which would explain the slower times. Most of these South African automotive Youtube channels always have slower times.

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by Mako

no, X3M would destroy the Jaguar with LC off the line, multiple magazines have tested both and the X3M is 0.5 seconds+ quicker 0-60 with LC being used.

Destroy is a bit of an overstatement. CarWow ran a 12.0 flat in the Jag, which was 2/10ths slower than the X4M they ran (11.8). Both cars in the CarWow video used LC.

The X3M in this video ran a 12.53 vs. the Jag's 12.70...again, only a 2/10ths difference. They are very close. If the X3M in the video would not have brake boosted/LC'd the Jag would have gapped it and held it off until after the 1/4 mile.

[brava09]

They both have similar power to weight ratio, not sure why someone would expect one car to destroy the other

[DgjoX6M2016]

Originally Posted by brava09

C63 is about 3-400 lbs heavier than M4., they are still in the same class of cars, if that's your point about Jag being heavier by 200lbs

Got it. That's a big weight difference.

There are so many SUVs and Crossovers it is a maddening web to figure out what cars should go head to head. I guess the x3m is same class as F-Pace, Q5, Macan. Don't even know the name of the class...compact SUV? Jag just decided to stuff a v8 in its chassis. Merc too. They all seem to pay the price with weight v the i6 in the BMW. Seems to me the v8s should be in the heavier weight class cars...for torque benefits.


Personally I compare GVWR of the cars to establish what should be compared to each other...apples to apples. Compact SUVs land in the mid 5000 (x3/4) GVWR and the midsize just over 6000 (x5/6). Full size ends up over 7000 (like our GL Merc). I'm sure there are exceptions and this is just my methodology.

[OhMyXM]

Originally Posted by Bretto777

Please take a look at my fully loaded less than 8k miles 2016 M3, I’m reluctantly putting up for sale as taking delivery of X3MC in January. Would love to see it go to a good home!
Thanks
Bretto777

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4349/overview/

Is this car in Europe? I ask because of license plate...

[MRichmond]

Originally Posted by DgjoX6M2016

Personally I compare GVWR of the cars to establish what should be compared to each other...apples to apples. Compact SUVs land in the mid 5000 (x3/4) GVWR and the midsize just over 6000 (x5/6). Full size ends up over 7000 (like our GL Merc). I'm sure there are exceptions and this is just my methodology.

Most compare based on size and price. So the competitors on the X3M segment are the F-Pace SVR, MB GLC63, Alfa Stelvio QF and Macan Turbo.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by OhMyXM

Is this car in Europe? I ask because of license plate...

Yes, it’s weird! Car seems to have Munich plates (M) but seems to be in Florida (typical FL driveway and vegetation), besides the one picture with a castle in background.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by MRichmond

Most compare based on size and price. So the competitors on the X3M segment are the F-Pace SVR, MB GLC63, Alfa Stelvio QF and Macan Turbo.

I would add the new Range Rover Velar SVAutobiography which is the sexier and more luxurious sibling of the F-Pace SVR.

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by OhMyXM

Is this car in Europe? I ask because of license plate...

Looks like a typical Euro Delivery plate. Here’s mine with the same plates on a US car next to Neuschwanstein Castle