[evanevery]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Link to your data.

I disagree... If you want to take a trip, having to charge is a given.

This is not the report I remember reading, but here is one that says "81% of EV charging is done at home":

https://insideevs.com/most-electric-...e-sky-is-blue/

The original one I referred to listed %public usage by EV brand...

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Actually.. tesla just reached 200,000 this past year correct? BMW has indicated that they have 250,000 electrified vehicles on the road.....

either way... if Tesla is " leading. " they certainly do hot appear to have an insurmountable lead ...

Tesla is much further ahead than that. Here's the current stats for 2018:

https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

Note that this list includes hybrids and not just EV's...

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by evanevery

This is not the report I remember reading, but here is one that says "81% of EV charging is done at home":

https://insideevs.com/most-electric-...e-sky-is-blue/

The original one I referred to listed %public usage by EV brand...

Thanks for the link! I almost always charge at home.

Tesla has a huge advantage with their Supercharger Network.

As battery range increases those numbers will change as people want to go further.

But in the mean time if you do want to travel in your BEV your charger limited as to where you can go.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Looks like it has a lot of open grille area for an EV.

That might be cameras/sensors and will be hidden by the kidney grill(s)

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Thanks for the link! I almost always charge at home.

Tesla has a huge advantage with their Supercharger Network.

As battery range increases those numbers will change as people want to go further.

But in the mean time if you do want to travel in your BEV your charger limited as to where you can go.

Point is: I DON'T want to travel in my BEV... Its just not convenient to use for long trips!

Most families (2+ cars) won't HAVE to travel in an EV if they own a mix of vehicles. I would never have ONLY an EV. I would always want to also have a (ICE) vehicle for long trips. So, no, I don't plan on using my BEV for any long trips. Its just not convenient...

You DON'T have to have one OR the other. A family can have BOTH and then choose which one to use based on where they are going. This is a very workable model and I think the one which is largely what we are currently seeing in use.

Tesla has VERY LITTLE advantage in their network if only 19% of EV charging is done outside the home...

Clearly, folks are more comfortable charging at home. As range increases (200+), the importance of a public charging network becomes even further diminished.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by evanevery

Point is: I DON'T want to travel in my BEV... Its just not convenient to use for long trips!

Most families (2+ cars) won't HAVE to travel in an EV if they own a mix of vehicles. I would never have ONLY an EV. I would always want to also have a (ICE) vehicle for long trips. So, no, I don't plan on using my BEV for any long trips. Its just not convenient...

You DON'T have to have one OR the other. A family can have BOTH and then choose which one to use based on where they are going. This is a very workable model and I think the one which is largely what we are currently seeing in use.

Tesla has VERY LITTLE advantage in their network if only 19% of EV charging is done outside the home...

Clearly, folks are more comfortable charging at home. As range increases (200+), the importance of a public charging network becomes even further diminished.

I depends on the weather... I am not driving my M-Car in the winter, so I usually rent a car if I cannot charge. I prefer not buying GAS.

[Yobyot]

Notice that the sunroof is open -- Germany is on fire this summer due to drought and I'll bet the AC draws too much power.

That's my big fear of owning an EV in a place like New England. Yesterday, it was 98 degrees and kids were being sent home early from school due to the heat. In February, on some days you nose hairs freeze as soon as you step outside.

That would sap range in an EV pretty quick.

[TajoMan]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Tesla is killing it.

Tesla has built almost 70,000 Model 3's as of this month.

Model 3 is outselling all major competition combined.

It's just a trend for now.
Let's see when model 3 warranty starts to expire.

My guess is that's the time to sell Tesla's stock.

[TajoMan]

Originally Posted by Yobyot

Notice that the sunroof is open -- Germany is on fire this summer due to drought and I'll bet the AC draws too much power.

That's my big fear of owning an EV in a place like New England. Yesterday, it was 98 degrees and kids were being sent home early from school due to the heat. In February, on some days you nose hairs freeze as soon as you step outside.

That would sap range in an EV pretty quick.

Heating is more problem than AC.

AC just needs to drop temperature by 30~40 F. (100~110F ambient)
Heater needs to compensate up to 90 F (if ambient is -20F)

Also, AC is way more efficient then electric heater or heat pump.

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by Yobyot

Notice that the sunroof is open -- Germany is on fire this summer due to drought and I'll bet the AC draws too much power.

That's my big fear of owning an EV in a place like New England. Yesterday, it was 98 degrees and kids were being sent home early from school due to the heat. In February, on some days you nose hairs freeze as soon as you step outside.

That would sap range in an EV pretty quick.

Not really...

I run my Tesla all winter (in Wisconsin) and all summer and see very little change in my range (Maybe 5 miles out of 223 @ 80% charge). Its my daily driver.

[hans007]

Originally Posted by Mako

? You mean way ahead? Tesla needs to improve a lot of things

yeah you mean way ahead?

BMW has figured out how to semi economically build a battery powered car that is light with carbon fiber, with infinitely better fit and finish. They also won't be going bankrupt any time soon while having figured it out.

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by hans007

yeah you mean way ahead?

BMW has figured out how to semi economically build a battery powered car that is light with carbon fiber, with infinitely better fit and finish. They also won't be going bankrupt any time soon while having figured it out.

We won't know how economically (vs Model 3) the car will be built until we see the price... ...and "Light with Carbon Fiber" doesn't generally equate to cheap or economical.

As a Tesla owner, I wouldn't say BMW has infinitely better fit and finish. My BMW's have a little better build quality, but the Tesla is not that far behind...

Tesla is running in the red as they are dumping much of their income to expand manufacturing facilities. They literally have hundreds of thousands of cars on order. This is not a bad problem to have. I don't expect they are going bankrupt any time soon...

[raj24]

Originally Posted by eDrive

They look normal to me.

The rear tires definitely look thicker

[ecaedus]

Originally Posted by TajoMan

It's just a trend for now.
Let's see when model 3 warranty starts to expire.

My guess is that's the time to sell Tesla's stock.

by the time model 3 warranty runs out, the total number of cars sold would've obliterated the ICE luxury car segment.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by raj24

The rear tires definitely look thicker

Staggered setup no doubt

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by TajoMan

It's just a trend for now.

Let's see when model 3 warranty starts to expire.

My guess is that's the time to sell Tesla's stock.

Nothing but F.U.D.

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt !!!

[Germanauto]

So still rolling with the Kia grille i presume?

Lol.







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Lol.

[TajoMan]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Nothing but F.U.D.

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt !!!

Tesla (even model 3) is still far away from mainstream yet.
For sure, there is great uncertainty and doubt.

Not until they really sell $35000 electric car in mass volume.

Even so, other car manufacturers have much batter chance and capability to overtake Tesla's sales.

Tesla's only hope is from their battery giga factory. Car is not really their focus in a long run.

Like I said, Tesla is just a trend for now. (and it was the pretty much only option for electric car until last couple of years)

Wait until people have more choices.

If it's the same price, I would choose ix3 over model 3 any day.

[TajoMan]

Originally Posted by evanevery

Not really...

I run my Tesla all winter (in Wisconsin) and all summer and see very little change in my range (Maybe 5 miles out of 223 @ 80% charge). Its my daily driver.

Which means their range estimation is very conservative. (which is good thing for sure)

In 90F weather, AC will use about 3~4 kW (5~7 hp).
When a car cruises at 70 mph, it uses about 30 hp. So AC consumes about 20% of total power which is a lot.

For the same temperature delta, heater will use about 2~3 times more power than AC.

HVAC in electric car is very challenging. More problem than actual drive motor/inverter.

[M3_WC]

Imagine if BMW had not tied up billions in the i3 and i8 program. Only to kill them off after one generation and start building electric cars on their normal platforms.

[cbertels]

Will we get an iX4 that's "Sportier" with the sloping roofline and way less space and visibility?

[-c-]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Actually.. tesla just reached 200,000 this past year correct? BMW has indicated that they have 250,000 electrified vehicles on the road.....

either way... if Tesla is " leading. " they certainly do hot appear to have an insurmountable lead ...

Yea we looked at the Tesla in the store and it's fit and finish is sub par and details are very under finished for its price point. The model S interior IP reminds me of a supplier trying to showcase their digital gauges and it just feels sort of sterile. Now that's just my opinion and not to be taken as fact as everyone's got one.

Plus the act of selling more of a car doesn't make you better.

Teslas the only option right now for decent electric mobility.

Once everyone else's electric cars hit the market like Bmw Audi and Porsche and Volvo etc, if Tesla can't make a profit now they won't then as those companies will be stealing more and more customers away from Tesla.

Tesla's also plagued with dealer supply issues, a friend of mine has been without his car for months as they are waiting on parts. And no loaner. Say what you want but the part of loving what you own is knowing if I do break down I have a dealer network that will have me back up and running ASAP, and have a loaner. Tesla can't guarantee that, and if I breakdown during one of those "road trips" good luck! Tesla's dealers aren't as plentiful as a Bmw or Chevy dealer scattered all over the nation.

I love that they helped the market along but not sure if they will be around. Time will tell.

Mostly the fanboys and investors will tell you their the best thing since sliced bread and their nice yes as a new player in town but after driving the model 3 and having to search menus and such on the screen it's not practical and their simplicity and cost reduction missed the mark. Needs a HUD at a minimum.

Even CR now show them way below average when they used to be on top.

And with musk and his tweets lately I think the stress is getting to him.

I've even heard the truck got shelved until they can rid themselves of the model 3 setbacks and build quality issues.


It's not easy to build a successful car company in today's world and hats off to them, but they still have a ways to go.

If I had to buy an electric car today, it be a Tesla but if I'm honest I'll hold off and see the other offerings as it seems like it's going to get exciting in the coming few years!