BMW X3 Forum
BMW X3 Forum
Welcome to the ultimate BMW X3 community.
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-09-2019, 04:20 PM   #45
chassis
Colonel
chassis's Avatar
6553
Rep
2,310
Posts

Drives: 9Y0 Cayenne S
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Einbahnstraße

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Pretty sure this is the M Diff, by GKN.



https://www.gknautomotive.com/global...t/etm-engl.pdf
Appreciate 1
teaston10994.50
      11-09-2019, 04:22 PM   #46
HighlandPete
Lieutenant General
6659
Rep
15,858
Posts

Drives: BMW F11 535i Touring
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Scotland, Highland Region

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by chassis View Post
HighlandPete, how do you reason the Belleville washer is meant to open the clutch plates?

Look closely at the photo. One side of the Belleville bears against the plate carrier splined to one of the wheel shafts. The other side of the washer bears against the rotating half of the ball-ramp mechanism. There can only be force applied by the Belleville that separates these two pieces. When the aforementioned pieces are separated, pressure is applied to the clutch plates. Since in the photo there is no discernible space, or clearance, between the Belleville and its mating pieces, it is reasonable to think there is a preload, at least a small one, in the system. If nothing else, preload avoids rattling and unecesary wear. More favorably, preload contributes to quick reaction time, measured in milliseconds.
I also am struggling with there being 'no' preload, however small, but BMW are the ones saying it acts as a conventional open diff. That implies negligible drag.

What I have noted in the description of start up calibration, BMW state the open value = 0 lb-ft. I've have to find the reference, to see the full context of using that figure.
Appreciate 2
teaston10994.50
chassis6552.50
      11-09-2019, 06:38 PM   #47
chassis
Colonel
chassis's Avatar
6553
Rep
2,310
Posts

Drives: 9Y0 Cayenne S
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Einbahnstraße

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
In practical terms, the preload could be small enough that there is negligible torque transferred between rear wheels. In practical terms, the stack of components in line with the clutch plates needs to be in a known position for the control system to function. In industry this is commonly achieved via a spring preload, such as a Belleville washer in this case.

To be clear, I have been talking about the rear differential for the past few posts, when the topic of M-Diff was first introduced.

In the case of full steering lock low speed parking maneuvers, left and right wheel speeds on both front and rear axles are different, and both front and rear differentials are doing just that, differentiating. There is some differentiating going on in the center differential also, because the front two wheels are not turning at exactly the same speeds as the rear two wheels.
Appreciate 1
      11-15-2019, 12:18 PM   #48
teaston
Banned
No_Country
10995
Rep
32,881
Posts

Drives: X3 M40d
Join Date: May 2012
Location: The High Seas

iTrader: (1)

I have now fitted my winter wheels/tyres, still with the 18mm spacers, and can confirm that there is absolutely no tyre skipping at all now!!
Appreciate 1
chassis6552.50
      11-15-2019, 12:24 PM   #49
clivem2
Colonel
United Kingdom
541
Rep
2,073
Posts

Drives: X3 M40i
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by teaston View Post
I have now fitted my winter wheels/tyres, still with the 18mm spacers, and can confirm that there is absolutely no tyre skipping at all now!!
Hopefully that's a good thing, thanks for the report!
__________________
Current: G01 M40i Silver / Tartufo
Previous: E30 318iS, E39 520i 523i 523i, E46 vert 330i 330i, E93 vert 335i, F25 30D 35D
Appreciate 1
teaston10994.50
      11-15-2019, 05:58 PM   #50
clivem2
Colonel
United Kingdom
541
Rep
2,073
Posts

Drives: X3 M40i
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: UK

iTrader: (0)

Maybe I should explain my "good thing" comment. If skipping is mostly to do with geometry is it better the tyres skip vs they don't and the transmission takes the stress?
Appreciate 0
      11-15-2019, 06:39 PM   #51
teaston
Banned
No_Country
10995
Rep
32,881
Posts

Drives: X3 M40d
Join Date: May 2012
Location: The High Seas

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by clivem2 View Post
Maybe I should explain my "good thing" comment. If skipping is mostly to do with geometry is it better the tyres skip vs they don't and the transmission takes the stress?
I see what you mean, but it is very low speed/torque so I doubt there would be much strain.

Tbh I think the Pirelli’s are just crap, could be why they’re so cheap, only £120 online, for what is a very recently introduced 20” BMW tyre size!
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:17 AM.




xbimmers
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST