[Barathon]

There seams to be a lot of hate going around for the X3M and X4M but in this day of internet use it's hard to tell whos really just a hating troll.

So I'm curious what people who are actually thinking of buying one of these think.

[JustChris]

Always interested but I'll never approach buying BMW launch car pricing and finance. Hence yes of interest but quite some time away yet.

[tastes jigga]

#5 - Waiting for test drive before making final judgement

[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by PureModelsOnly

The 300 lbs weight gain and lackluster styling killed it for me. Styling is subjective. Weight gain is not.

how can u make a decision on a performance suv w/o even test driving it? :

[Barathon]

Originally Posted by -JLT-

how can u make a decision on a performance suv w/o even test driving it? :

Not to mention, we still don't know if the weight was a mis print or not since the Euro documents list it lighter.

[Barathon]

Originally Posted by PureModelsOnly

It's on the website...

So you think that it is more likely that the US and Euro versions have different weights rather than the website having a typo?

BTW, I did find other errors, like on bmwusa.com they list the competition models as having 503 HP yet the release video they put out and the other specs all say 510 HP. I think the also have the HP of the M4 CS and M3 CS listed wrong too so there is some evidence of mis prints.

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo.../overview.html

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by tastes jigga

#5 - Waiting for test drive before making final judgement

I voted planning to buy but absolutely I need to test drive and cross shop the competition.

[floating.spirit]

Originally Posted by -JLT-

how can u make a decision on a performance suv w/o even test driving it? :

For one, it looks identical to the one I have now except the wheels; they look borrowed from an electric car. I won't turn down a test drive though.

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by floating.spirit

For one, it looks identical to the one I have now except the wheels; they look borrowed from an electric car. I won't turn down a test drive though.

So going from a 12 lbs/HP rig to 9.2 lbs/HP is not good enough to ignore the weight? I doubt anyone is going to feel the extra weight. In fact I bet people will think it feels lighter in actual driving experiences.

It only takes 25-30 extra HP to negate that 300 lbs of weight gain in comparison to M40i.

[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by floating.spirit

For one, it looks identical to the one I have now except the wheels; they look borrowed from an electric car. I won't turn down a test drive though.

all u guys that r complaining about the looks of it probably don't mod ur rides. I wish it was more aggressive looking but by the time I'm done with it, it will look badass

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by BMWModel3

Weight effects everything not just acceleration. Braking, turning, steering response, fuel consumption, brake wear, tire wear, etc. It's also sort of matter of principle. No other M model weighs this much more than its regular counterpart. Even worse it weighs more than the rest of its competitors. It weighs more than the F90 M5. It weighs 1000 lbs more than a F80 M3!
GLC 63: 4475 lbs
Stelvio QV: 4360
Jag F-Pace SVR: 4395
Macan Turbo: 4244

I agree that the weight is ridiculous in comparison to the competition but if we're talking about M40i, it's pretty inconsequential to me. Compared to competitors we'll just have to wait for test drives, and real world test numbers.

[Denk]

I'm sure they'll be a blast to drive but there's nothing special in the design for me. They look like "edition" versions, not a full on M car. Not hating, they just don't pique my interest enough due to the styling.

[FSociety]

Planning on leasing not buying lol

[bkfastwagon]

I would have considered it as a do it all car but at $80K it's hard to justify. I guess most would be leasing so it's a moot point. I would seriously consider saving up a bit more for a real deal- i.e M5.

[GuyOh]

How about , cant afford, so may have to settle for x3m40i haha

[floating.spirit]

Originally Posted by -JLT-

all u guys that r complaining about the looks of it probably don't mod ur rides. I wish it was more aggressive looking but by the time I'm done with it, it will look badass

You got me. At 80k I'd like to avoid putting more money into it; mouths to feed and all...

[M235Montreal]

Originally Posted by BMWModel3

Here's a screenshot from my phone

if this is true it means it is heavier than the V8 GLC63 !! it would be a first for an M car to be heavier than its AMG rival !! as far as i remember this literally never ever happened .

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by M235Montreal

if this is true it means it is heavier than the V8 GLC63 !! it would be a first for an M car to be heavier than its AMG rival !! as far as i remember this literally never ever happened .

Yep, hard to believe that it will be heavier guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Barathon]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Yep, hard to believe that it will be heavier guess we'll have to wait and see.

I still have a hard time believing that the weight listed on the USA site is correct. For one, it says the X3M is heavier than the X4M yet the base 3 does not have a pano roof and the base 4 does.

Plus cross checking multiple bmw sites they all show the X3M and X4M are the same weight as each other and all of those site say the same thing 2045 kg (or 4508.453 lbs)

Sorry for the lack of or bad translation to English (I just let Chrome do it)

X3M Competition

bmw.de (Germany)
Curb weight EU in kg 2045 = 4508.453 lbs

bmwusa.com (USA)
Curb weight (lbs) 4620

bmw.ch (Switzerland)
Weight without load in kg 2'045 = 4508.453 lbs

bmw.com.mx (Mexico)
Peso sin carga en kg (EU) 2.045 = 4508.453 lbs

bmw.it (Italy)
Massa a vuoto in kg (UE) 2045 = 4508.453 lbs


X4M Competition

bmw.de
Curb weight EU in kg 2045 = 4508.453 lbs

bmwusa.com (USA)
Curb weight (lbs) 4590

bmw.ch
Weight without load in kg 2'045 = 4508.453 lbs

bmw.com.mx (Mexico)
Peso sin carga UE en kg 2.045 = 4508.453 lbs

bmw.it (Italy)
Massa a vuoto in kg (UE) 2045 = 4508.453 lbs

[SANK_CH]

Hi Barathon,

you missed the info from the german brochure on bottom of the page 37:
curb weight is based on the car with standard option. it also includes the weight of the driver with a generic weight of 75kg and the tank with 90% full of petrol. 1 liter of petrol is 0.755 kg. Tank capacity is 65 liters. (65*.9)*.755= 44.17kg
So the curb weight as we understand here (no driver no petrol) is 1'925.83kg

[Max Well]

Originally Posted by Barathon

I still have a hard time believing that the weight listed on the USA site is correct. For one, it says the X3M is heavier than the X4M yet the base 3 does not have a pano roof and the base 4 does.

Plus cross checking multiple bmw sites they all show the X3M and X4M are the same weight as each other and all of those site say the same thing 2045 kg (or 4508.453 lbs)...

Discussion of vehicle weights has long been a confusing topic, based not only on the differences in regional reporting (Leergewicht EU vs DIN overseas vs Curb wt. USA) but the variations in reporting within Mnfrs themselves. Boss330 provided a nice summary of these aspects in his thread on the F80/F82 Forum, found at: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=919364

It appears EU is as SANK_CH indicated, empty plus 90%Fuel plus 75kg Driver. DIN is just empty plus 90%Fuel (no Driver). USA curb weight is empty plus 100%Fuel, but also includes (which I didn’t realize until reading Boss330’s thread) the weight of any option expected to be in more than 33% of vehicles sold. For the USA market it is presumed this would then add the 111.6 lbs. moon roof whether a standard feature or not (this wt. estimate from my Carbon Fiber thread). It isn’t supposed to necessarily include the Driver, which Boss indicated is estimated as 68kg in the US, but he and others indicate Mnfrs (including BMW if I understood correctly) will sometimes include this value, but not always across all models.

I’ve run a bunch of these numbers on a spreadsheet to get an idea of the differences. As SANK_CH suggested, derived empty weight of X3M EU (after subtracting 75 kg driver and 44.2 kg fuel) is 1925.8 kg (4245.7 lbs.). DIN yields same numbers (after subtracting just the 44.2 kg fuel). USA Curb weight yields 1995.9 kg (4400.2 lbs.) (after subtracting 111.6 lbs. moon roof and 108.2 lbs. for the 100% full fuel tank). This leaves a difference of 70.1 kg (154.5 lbs.) which would fit for a Driver +/- a few kg. This would be in keeping with some reports of BMW including the Driver in US curb wt. calculations.

As Boss330 and others suggest, seems best to compare one of the Euro standards (DIN or EU) to obtain apples-apples comparisons. By way of comparison, bmw.de shows the Leergewicht EU of G01 X3 xDr30i at 1790 kg (3946 lbs.), whereas US Curb wt. is listed at 1890 kg (4167 lbs.), for a difference of 221 lbs. And the X3M40i is EU 1885 kg (4156 lbs.) vs USA 1958 kg (4317 lbs.) for a difference of 161 lbs. Basically they are the same cars, so somewhere in those totals differences in the methodology of calculating must be present (moon roof, +/- Driver, 100% fuel vs 90% fuel etc.).

Ultimately would be helpful if we could weigh our own vehicles and provide some reference points with rough gas volume taken into consideration, +/- moon roof, wheels, and the like. I’ve never weighed a personal vehicle before so I don’t know the facilities which offer such to the average consumer, the accuracy and precision of the results etc.

[Transfer]

Pano roof will certainly weigh minimum 100 lbs and possibly as high as 200 lbs and I agree based on above discussion that the 4620 must include that roof.