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      06-09-2021, 12:57 PM   #177
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Anyone know if a shadowline option will be available with the X3M base? Like with the G80 M3?
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      06-09-2021, 01:12 PM   #178
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I for one love it. Enhanced internals and more color choices... better tech, and I like the looks. Oy downside is I will probably be paying close to msrp.
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      06-09-2021, 01:43 PM   #179
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I actually love the X3 rear redesign.

But the X4 rear - the bumper/diffuser.....really found it to be designed differently for the sake of being different. Hate those random wedges with gloss black inserts....feels so unnecessary. The front is alright....nothing great or horrid...

The interiors - the accents on the vents - was it really needed?

The bigger screen, sp18 idrive, the mview instrument layout - all awesome changes!

I hope we can code the mview layout on our current ID7 somehow
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      06-09-2021, 02:35 PM   #180
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I think the X3MC looks better in every way, and really like the new rear tail lights. If I hadn’t picked up a new 8 Series GC a month ago, I’d have ordered one. I might run the figures on one, and get it for the wife (me!).
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      06-09-2021, 02:41 PM   #181
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Well, they've somehow managed to make it look worse. Doesn't look like an M much now in the front.
Looks like the X2 has put on weight
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      06-09-2021, 02:46 PM   #182
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BMW always used to be conservative with M LCIs, which was a nice gesture and gave some degree of comfort to early adopters. Those days are clearly LONG gone.

Good or not, I can't remember an M LCI with this many significant changes. It's really mind-blowing and is leaving me to question what I want to do now with my 2021 and if I even want to stay with the brand.
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      06-09-2021, 02:59 PM   #183
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Couple things to keep in mind, which brought about this LCI:

- The original F97 was a bit of a parts bin car. Not as much uniqueness as other M cars, while the performance was still there, BMW knew they would have to spice it up later to some degree

- BMW may have rushed it a little as they needed a platform to give the S58 its test run. The car may not have existed otherwise

- BMW is clearly positioning the LCI as an alternative to the G80, so naturally they would match the styling inside and out with a more comprehensive upgrade than what is typically found in a mid cycle refresh
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      06-09-2021, 03:02 PM   #184
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Clearly BMW is positioning the X3M to be the alternative to the people who can't stomach the G80.
Sadly I hate both. The 5er is the last bastion of good design at this joint.
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      06-09-2021, 05:24 PM   #185
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Normal disagreements about visual changes aside, the engine changes are more than welcome.

BMW decision to maintain "four-piston fixed calipers at the front and single-piston floating calipers at the rear" remains puzzling. This vehicle needs better brakes with 6-piston calipers in the front and 4-piston calipers in the rear.

I like X4MC. It's in shopping cart together with other vehicles.
IIRC the e-parking brake is limiting the type of rear calipers.
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      06-09-2021, 08:24 PM   #186
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IIRC the e-parking brake is limiting the type of rear calipers.
Good point about e-parking brake limiting the choice of rear calipers. Another subtle suggestion for BMW to rethink what brakes should be standard on X3M / X4M.
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      06-09-2021, 08:36 PM   #187
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Hahahah I wonder if one can use pre-lci tailights and swap it on?

With anything, it'll take time to adjust to it. So far, I'm liking the futuristic front end. Watch a few videos on YouTube and it'll slow grow on you.
Don't do that on an M... respect your pre-lci the way god made it, or part ways and upgrade... don't throw some new bits and try to play the part...
A guy on the M5 forum did it, though he went pre-lci to lci.
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      06-09-2021, 08:53 PM   #188
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IIRC the e-parking brake is limiting the type of rear calipers.
Good point about e-parking brake limiting the choice of rear calipers. Another subtle suggestion for BMW to rethink what brakes should be standard on X3M / X4M.
I think it's a Bosch design. IIRC Mercedes and Audi have the same thing.
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      06-09-2021, 10:52 PM   #189
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Own a 20 f97, and this is a disappointment. The front bumper is bizarre and the taillights are awkward. Change for the sake of it, nothing more.
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      06-09-2021, 11:10 PM   #190
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love it. i'm all for the updated design and change. those who hate it prob have the '20 or just picked up a '21.

looks like a mini x5m and now w the interior updated, wowzas!

this puts the x3 model on a whole different level. you just have to admit it. i know a lot of consumers cross shop bmw and always felt the interior was lacking.

love the g80 and love this look too. bmw is going in the right correction and i bet when these r on the road, people will like it even more in person.
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      06-09-2021, 11:35 PM   #191
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The new front designs are terrible. Just disgusting. BMW used to have such clean and aggressive front ends. The taillights look kinda cool but also they remind me of a rav4 lol
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love it. i'm all for the updated design and change. those who hate it prob have the '20 or just picked up a '21.

looks like a mini x5m and now w the interior updated, wowzas!

this puts the x3 model on a whole different level. you just have to admit it. i know a lot of consumers cross shop bmw and always felt the interior was lacking.

love the g80 and love this look too. bmw is going in the right correction and i bet when these r on the road, people will like it even more in person.
The interior was certainly NOT lacking on a merano equipped F97/F98.. They made this change to streamline the parts supply chains and to streamline the newer BMW aesthetic style guide..

None of this interior was "lacking" my man... its a modern, streamlined update.. yes, looks fresher.. yes.. but the pre-lci X3M/X4M certainly didn't get any complains for its interior fit and finish...

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love it. i'm all for the updated design and change. those who hate it prob have the '20 or just picked up a '21.

looks like a mini x5m and now w the interior updated, wowzas!

this puts the x3 model on a whole different level. you just have to admit it. i know a lot of consumers cross shop bmw and always felt the interior was lacking.

love the g80 and love this look too. bmw is going in the right correction and i bet when these r on the road, people will like it even more in person.
The interior was certainly NOT lacking on a merano equipped F97/F98.. They made this change to streamline the parts supply chains and to streamline the newer BMW aesthetic style guide..

None of this interior was "lacking" my man... its a modern, streamlined update.. yes, looks fresher.. yes.. but the pre-lci X3M/X4M certainly didn't get any complains for its interior fit and finish...
I love the interior of this thing. BMW has really stepped up their interior game.
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      06-09-2021, 11:52 PM   #194
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Good point about e-parking brake limiting the choice of rear calipers. Another subtle suggestion for BMW to rethink what brakes should be standard on X3M / X4M.
Even a Lamborghini Urus or Audi RSQ8 have rear floating caliper brakes with integrated e-brake electric actuators... seems, much like fake exhaust pipes fitted into the rear bumpers (which no one is appreciating that BMW didn't put on the LCI) ... seem to be the way.

As for the front end setup... yes, a 6 pot caliper like the M3/M4 would have been nice, even nicer would have been a ceramic option.. but we must still appreciate the rotors are two piece floating design, with aluminum hubs and fairly sizeable front rotor diameter, that still fit under a 20" winter rim. Thick and properly vented. I guess compared to a X3 M40i they are an improvement, but compared to any proper sports car from the last decade... they could have done better.

the main issue with larger calipers is weight.... given the fairly uncomfortable ride quality, lager brakes would make that situation even worse. Maybe as a reasonable compromise, BMW could have equipped the larger 6 pot calipers from the M3/M4 on the X3/X4 Competition models and left the 4pot on the non-comps...

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These cars are comically bad.


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love it. i'm all for the updated design and change. those who hate it prob have the '20 or just picked up a '21.

looks like a mini x5m and now w the interior updated, wowzas!

this puts the x3 model on a whole different level. you just have to admit it. i know a lot of consumers cross shop bmw and always felt the interior was lacking.

love the g80 and love this look too. bmw is going in the right correction and i bet when these r on the road, people will like it even more in person.
The interior was certainly NOT lacking on a merano equipped F97/F98.. They made this change to streamline the parts supply chains and to streamline the newer BMW aesthetic style guide..

None of this interior was "lacking" my man... its a modern, streamlined update.. yes, looks fresher.. yes.. but the pre-lci X3M/X4M certainly didn't get any complains for its interior fit and finish...
I love the interior of this thing. BMW has really stepped up their interior game.
Lol. It's literally 99.5% the same as the outgoing model. I agree with your overall assessment though. BMW interiors are much improved over the last 5-7 years.
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love it. i'm all for the updated design and change. those who hate it prob have the '20 or just picked up a '21.

looks like a mini x5m and now w the interior updated, wowzas!

this puts the x3 model on a whole different level. you just have to admit it. i know a lot of consumers cross shop bmw and always felt the interior was lacking.

love the g80 and love this look too. bmw is going in the right correction and i bet when these r on the road, people will like it even more in person.
The interior was certainly NOT lacking on a merano equipped F97/F98.. They made this change to streamline the parts supply chains and to streamline the newer BMW aesthetic style guide..

None of this interior was "lacking" my man... its a modern, streamlined update.. yes, looks fresher.. yes.. but the pre-lci X3M/X4M certainly didn't get any complains for its interior fit and finish...
I love the interior of this thing. BMW has really stepped up their interior game.
Lol. It's literally 99.5% the same as the outgoing model. I agree with your overall assessment though. BMW interiors are much improved over the last 5-7 years.
I loved the prior model's interior as well.
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