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      03-21-2019, 02:02 AM   #89
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The rear badging looks way too busy.
Exactly. In my thoughts it always does. It's the first box I tick on every new car. I didn't do it on the M2 from the beginning, but after I while I took out a fan and did it myself.
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It's too close to the M40i IMO. they overstyled the shit out of the M40's this time around.
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Visually underwhelming. I'm not doubting the performance but overall design is a let down for me. Front bumper is almost too aggressive and the rear fails to balance this. Neither elegant nor aggressive …
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Imho it doesn't differ enough from a regular X3 m sport to be a real M model. Like others said, i don't doubt that the performance will be there but as far as visual goes, I'm not convinced
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I do wish the back end, especially the wheel arches, were more aggressive - the front is growing on me though.
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I consider the X3 M as my possible next car, but it looks a bit "boring". The only "M-looking" part is the front, everything else looks almost like a regular M Sport X3 …
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I don't get it. Don't see much of anything sporty, stylish, or even an suv.
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The performance will be noticeable but visually they'll be difficult to distinguish unless you get closer and read the badges. Compared to the differences between the other base cars and their M counterparts, this M is lacking the visual differences M cars usually have.
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little disappointed ... the booty and overall width with no flares doesn't impress
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The lack of some simple lip flares like the X5M is disappointing. It does look too narrow.
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Personal preferences, but I'd prefer X3M looks with competition horsepower and a Carbon roof.
Maybe they’ll listen to the feedback and consider modifications for the LCI (or CS, or whatever you want to call it). And agree with ZHPsedan – at least offer CFRP roof option at this high-performance level.
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Visually underwhelming. I'm not doubting the performance but overall design is a let down for me. Front bumper is almost too aggressive and the rear fails to balance this. Neither elegant nor aggressive …
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Imho it doesn't differ enough from a regular X3 m sport to be a real M model. Like others said, i don't doubt that the performance will be there but as far as visual goes, I'm not convinced
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I consider the X3 M as my possible next car, but it looks a bit "boring". The only "M-looking" part is the front, everything else looks almost like a regular M Sport X3 …
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I don't get it. Don't see much of anything sporty, stylish, or even an suv.
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The performance will be noticeable but visually they'll be difficult to distinguish unless you get closer and read the badges. Compared to the differences between the other base cars and their M counterparts, this M is lacking the visual differences M cars usually have.
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little disappointed ... the booty and overall width with no flares doesn't impress
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Personal preferences, but I'd prefer X3M looks with competition horsepower and a Carbon roof.
Maybe they’ll listen to the feedback and consider modifications for the LCI (or CS, or whatever you want to call it). And agree with ZHPsedan – at least offer CFRP roof option at this high-performance level.
I don't really get the desire for a CFRP roof. It's such a "no-compromises" performance enhancement given the cost/benefit. On an SUV, the entire platform is "compromised", by design. It's a big, fast, family hauler. Just seems like an odd item for folks to focus on.

No one will take an X3M to 11/10ths where the marginal reduction in center of gravity or weight will be noticed.
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Personal preferences, but I'd prefer X3M looks with competition horsepower and a Carbon roof.
Maybe they'll listen to the feedback and consider modifications for the LCI (or CS, or whatever you want to call it). And agree with ZHPsedan – at least offer CFRP roof option at this high-performance level.
I don't really get the desire for a CFRP roof. It's such a "no-compromises" performance enhancement given the cost/benefit. On an SUV, the entire platform is "compromised", by design. It's a big, fast, family hauler. Just seems like an odd item for folks to focus on.

No one will take an X3M to 11/10ths where the marginal reduction in center of gravity or weight will be noticed.
We want and expected the X3 M to have a CFRP roof because the M3 has one and the vehicles are at the same level of cost.

Folks are happy to slap CFRP cosmetic pieces on their mirrors, bumpers, skirts and trunk lids so it's not too much to ask for a functional weight saver.
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I don't really get the desire for a CFRP roof. It's such a "no-compromises" performance enhancement given the cost/benefit. On an SUV, the entire platform is "compromised", by design. It's a big, fast, family hauler. Just seems like an odd item for folks to focus on. ... No one will take an X3M to 11/10ths where the marginal reduction in center of gravity or weight will be noticed.


Same song, over and over and over...

If you are a Specialist in Fluid Dynamics and Automotive Engineering I apologize in advance for the following. But if not - the sophomoric, assuming comments continue...

"Cost/Benefit ratio" is a subjective measure with performance vehicles, right? We're not discussing analyzing the costs of diagnostic study X and how it may affect mortality rates long-term vs less costly modality Y. You have no validation in stating 'No one' will be able to appreciate the reduction of 125 lbs off the roof of a tall SUV platform. Again, if you are in the Field, apologies, but share your data as I'm interested in seeing it if you are (honestly). I'm just a lay person without a background in this, but I have tried to understand how a CFRP roof could improve dynamics in these tall SUV constructs. https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1564722 . I may be way off base on my attempt to understand, but the background is there.

Why does someone buy a Urus, or a Trofeo, or the soon-arriving DBX (and at twice to three times the cost of our X3M Comp)? Why is the high-performance SUV class the one Mnfrs are now banking on for bringing in the profits so the smaller coupes and sedans can reap the benefits for further research? Per your mindset, just misguided souls who have money to spend and don't know what to do with it. Or could it be that some enjoy the pursuit of performance in a vehicle platform they need for their family or athletic outdoor activities? Suspect the counter is to say all of us should buy a stable of vehicles for each activity? Perhaps an ideal, but not all of us can accomplish that.

So yeah, I want a utilitarian vehicle that represents the pinnacle of performance 'for the platform I need'. I don't see why this is so difficult for some to conceptualize.
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I don't really get the desire for a CFRP roof. It's such a "no-compromises" performance enhancement given the cost/benefit. On an SUV, the entire platform is "compromised", by design. It's a big, fast, family hauler. Just seems like an odd item for folks to focus on. ... No one will take an X3M to 11/10ths where the marginal reduction in center of gravity or weight will be noticed.


Same song, over and over and over...

If you are a Specialist in Fluid Dynamics and Automotive Engineering I apologize in advance for the following. But if not - the sophomoric, assuming comments continue...

"Cost/Benefit ratio" is a subjective measure with performance vehicles, right? We're not discussing analyzing the costs of diagnostic study X and how it may affect mortality rates long-term vs less costly modality Y. You have no validation in stating 'No one' will be able to appreciate the reduction of 125 lbs off the roof of a tall SUV platform. Again, if you are in the Field, apologies, but share your data as I'm interested in seeing it if you are (honestly). I'm just a lay person without a background in this, but I have tried to understand how a CFRP roof could improve dynamics in these tall SUV constructs. https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1564722 . I may be way off base on my attempt to understand, but the background is there.

Why does someone buy a Urus, or a Trofeo, or the soon-arriving DBX (and at twice to three times the cost of our X3M Comp)? Why is the high-performance SUV class the one Mnfrs are now banking on for bringing in the profits so the smaller coupes and sedans can reap the benefits for further research? Per your mindset, just misguided souls who have money to spend and don't know what to do with it. Or could it be that some enjoy the pursuit of performance in a vehicle platform they need for their family or athletic outdoor activities? Suspect the counter is to say all of us should buy a stable of vehicles for each activity? Perhaps an ideal, but not all of us can accomplish that.

So yeah, I want a utilitarian vehicle that represents the pinnacle of performance 'for the platform I need'. I don't see why this is so difficult for some to conceptualize.
I think all the SUVs you mentioned have pano roofs.

To each his own - clearly - but the entire genre is a desired and clear compromise.

I owned an F85 X5M, enjoyed the pano roof and never, not once, did I think "man I wish BMW would have dropped it to save 150lb on my multi-ton SUV".

I get the sense that the same people that want this roof are almost equally likely to option the largest, heaviest wheels BMW will offer them - unsprung weight be damned.
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... To each his own - clearly - but the entire genre is a desired and clear compromise. I owned an F85 X5M, enjoyed the pano roof and never, not once, did I think "man I wish BMW would have dropped it to save 150lb on my multi-ton SUV". I get the sense that the same people that want this roof are almost equally likely to option the largest, heaviest wheels BMW will offer them - unsprung weight be damned.
I understand. But yeah, the problem with generalized assumptions about folks' intent is that inaccurate conclusions often arise, that's my only point. Suspect I may be at the far end of the bell-shaped curve, so doubtful many know what I'm about, but just cautioning about the hazards of assuming why Forum Members post what they do, that's all. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

And about the wheels, couldn't be more incorrect again https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1440682

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... To each his own - clearly - but the entire genre is a desired and clear compromise. I owned an F85 X5M, enjoyed the pano roof and never, not once, did I think "man I wish BMW would have dropped it to save 150lb on my multi-ton SUV". I get the sense that the same people that want this roof are almost equally likely to option the largest, heaviest wheels BMW will offer them - unsprung weight be damned.
I understand. But yeah, the problem with generalized assumptions about folks' intent is that inaccurate conclusions often arise, that's my only point. Suspect I may be at the far end of the bell-shaped curve, so doubtful many know what I'm about, but just cautioning about the hazards of assuming why Forum Members post what they do, that's all. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

And about the wheels, couldn't be more incorrect again https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1440682

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We can disagree about the roof - but you need to relax with the sweeping generalizations about how/why I arrived at my opinion or why I or anyone else would want (or not want) one.

I am completely indifferent to how you or anyone else choose to spend their money — I would not judge you for having a custom CFRP roof made for your X3M. I just wouldn't understand why you'd do it - I don't see the utility.

To be clear — I participle in this forum as someone that owns/has happily owned plenty of broadly non-sensical vehicles and considering add this one to the stable.

Beyond my experience with the X5M and it's lovely pano roof, I have aIso owned a 1M and lurked in that forum for a bit. I recall a similar and common complaint that a carbon fiber roof (like the one available on the E92 M3) wasn't available for the 1M. I got that — the 1M was and still is used in competitive and semi-competitive SCCA classes. Folks deliberately took their 1Ms to (and in some cases, over) the knifes edge of their chassis' capacity. Shedding weight/lowering the 1Ms center of gravity would be tangibly value add. These same folks refused to order navigation, power seats and spent handsomely on things like lightweight AP brakes, sizing down to the lightest 18" wheels they could find and stripping their interiors to their respective, acceptable minimums.

These 1M owners had a more legitimate grievance.

Here, with the X3M this big, heavy and so clearly designed to straddle comfort/utility and performance — I don't see (IMHO) the grievance. The experience is imperceptibly injured for the lack of a CFRP (unlike that of the aforementioned, aggrieved 1M owners).

Other people simply wanted the 'look' — I get that. Not my thing, but that's entirely subjective and a totally reasonable complaint if you like the look of the rest of the M stable. Fortunately, 3M has you covered, literally.

Thanks for the link on wheel sizes — I gave it a quick skim, it doesn't seem to indicate that the larger wheel sizes have lower unsprung weight. The table in the first post seems to indicate a roughly linear (and expected) relationship between wheel size and weight. Please link to the specific post and I'm happy to be wrong/pleasantly surprised that BMW has figured out how to offer larger wheels for less weight in a series vehicle (this side of the unique forged offerings for the E46 and E92 M3).
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We can disagree about the roof ...
Apologies to OP for going off-topic previously. As it seems we have disparate thoughts on the matter I would defer further discussion to the X3/4M CFRP roof thread referenced above, if desired. Would be pleased to discuss pros/cons there.
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I don't really get the desire for a CFRP roof. It's such a "no-compromises" performance enhancement given the cost/benefit. On an SUV, the entire platform is "compromised", by design. It's a big, fast, family hauler. Just seems like an odd item for folks to focus on.

No one will take an X3M to 11/10ths where the marginal reduction in center of gravity or weight will be noticed.
What?? By your own argument, there would be no point in stuffing a M engine into an "already compromised" SUV! Yet, it has been done.

If anything, a CFRP could pay larger dividends on a taller vehicle where the COG is already higher i.e. a SUV needs all the help it can get to bring the COG lower to the ground for improved dynamic handling.

My 2-year-old told me to shut the moon roof shade in our Nissan Armada earlier today. Even he knows how pointless they are.
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Oh my. Black X4M over red. Wow that looks great!
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That guy is extremely obnoxious but the car looks nice in black over red, personally I'd go with a silver over red or blue
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The X5M was just leaked and I gotta say it looks way more aggressive than the X3M.

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1596473
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And the power dome? Same point - does the X3M or X4M need the room for 'the dome'? Clearly, no. Do the smaller profile M vehicles need it to fit their large engine/size? Clearly, yes. Would be a mockery if BMW placed the dome just for aesthetics, as it clearly cannot improve Cd x A. Form vs function.
M2C doesn't have a power dome, so there's definitely some fake flexing happening with the M cars.
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The X5M was just leaked and I gotta say it looks way more aggressive than the X3M.

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1596473
Would be a nice $40k upgrade if you want the big rig. I can barely afford the X3M and not interested in a 5000 lb large SUV.
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