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About the 507, What a miss for $25K of today's money!!! but then in 1972 a Ferrari 250 GTO was sold for $6000 (3589GT), which was in today's $ 34K, now they exchange hands in the $50 Million range!!! Anyway, your i8 is pretty cool, and a ton of respect for your 3.0 CS!! ;-)
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Wait Isn't it Australia?? I see many more BMW's and M's here than when I lived in Canada ;-)
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Hard to say there are many visionaries left at the company, design wise, performance wise, and future technologies wise (way too late to game in e-vehicles). The departure of Bangle was the first signal that new ideas and experimentation were too "risky" (or potentially costly) for management to bear in the pursuit of easy cash-cow profits. This was followed by numerous departures/defections at key company positions (Biermann to Hyundai of all places, as mentioned below) and the almost complete loss of autonomy at the ///M division when it was formally consolidated into BMW GmBH. Capital and talent resources were massively diverted to the i-division only to produce poor price/value vehicles behind in e tech (any real response to Tesla delayed until 2021) and a management team (i-division) that got lifted out to work for a Chinese startup. Sadly the most praiseworthy performance car in years (the M2) was essentially derived by going back 10-15+ years to the basic formula of what it means to drive a fun BMW. Really the only new innovation in that car is an e-diff, whereas the rest was easily gleaned from replicating pre-2008 successes. Quote:
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MalibuBimmer : this one is the 507 you really missed: The Elvis one, now in the hands of BMW Classic. Who knows how much it would be worth in the open market. I'd say $10 Million with the Elvis provenance...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-Germany.html
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Victoria BC my man! Buckets of rain, no white stuff . GTS weather year round! Seriously though my information is accurate. You look into it and confirm with me
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hmmmm both BMW and Mercedes followed Audi by making whole line up "same" looking. Could he be the reason?
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Well I believe the cars designed by Van Hooydonk were some of the ugliest BMW designs ever. The recent designs were much better. Personally I'd like a throw back design with modern lines similar to the 2002 or even the e39 5er for the sedans.
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You must be enjoying easy power drifting in all this rain . Seriously the GTS must be a handful in the wet! About the numbers, I'll try to dig some from the land down under... Cheers!
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Total sales for 2016 is 28,028 units (+12.0% VS 2015). BMW ranks 12th, way below MB with 41,226 units (+13.3%) What are the stats for Canada?
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I guess I'm getting old but none of the more recent models do much for me at all. None of them are classy and timeless, but appear more trendy with boomerang vents, headlights blending into the grille, and iPhone screens sticking up out of the dash.
Besides the E92, I can't think of a single BMW in the last 10 years that I think will age well. I'm not an SUV guy but I thought the proportions of the 2nd gen X5 were just right; the new one not so much. I tried to like the F30, but I just can't do it. The 1M was not pretty and I don't think the M2 was much better with its undefined fender flares, overly busy front bumper and ugly vertical reflectors in the rear bumper. I prefer the M235/240i over the M2. The A7/S7 looks better than the 6 series GC. The pinnacle of the 5 series was the E39, and things have gone down hill ever since. I really hope future designs will stand the test of time like the E46 M3 which still looks sporty and classy at the same time.
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The point is that no one man within a car makers design department is the one person who did this or that. It's always a team efford, working under the pressure of management and stockholders. But Bangle already had quite a reputable reputation before he came to BMW. He did the design on the fiat coupe. None of you Yanks probably have ever seen that IRL but it's considered a design icon in its class, often called the baby ferrari. Its one of the first 'new edge' cars imho (or what can be somewhat considered as one) introduced about 7 years before that design style became mainstream, even before ford made its concept f90, and later introducing cars like the focus etc, and so many other brands adapting that view (including bmw). Usually new edge is associated with ford, but the fiat coupe may be one of the initiators.... I usually see design at bmw in waves of 2 generations, where the first is quite a revolutionairy design and the second one an evolution on the previous design. Like the e21 was quite the revolution on the 1500 (neue klasse) and the e30 was an evolution on that. Where the e36 was quite the revolution on the e30 and the e46 was the evolution of the e35. And the e90 was the revolution on the e46 and the f30 again an evolution. But who knows if they will continue this alternation of revolution and evolution....
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That is one of my BIG problems with the new BMW models. Because of the hood line, headlamps that extend to a such level that look stretched and out of place, exhaust that hang out behind the car like an afterthought (when Kia makes them better!) and pipes that are going back to 80's, big out of place nostrils, ipads glued on the dash board, central consoles that lost the "pilot cockpit" appeal, are just few things that do not deserve my money...
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Maybe the design world needs to follow what is happening in lifestyle: people going retro and re-discovering simplicity... About your revolution/evolution theory about BMW designs, I think it's just a coincidence and design revolution are part of a bigger trend in a company that for that instance tries to reinvent itself... Cheers!
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But it is indeed also somewhat coupled to technological innovation. You know, e21/e30=trailing arm rear suspension, e36/46=3 point multilink rear suspension, e90/f30= 5point multilink rear/tension strut front suspension. So the platforms in pairs of 2 are both linked on a design basis and on a technological basis. Its mostly the tech part that I find loads of similarities in pairs, where the latter one is an evolution, Just like its exterior/interior designs . I hope people dont go retro... retro styling has been a major trend since the PT cruiser I guess. It has given some very ugly models and some very nice cars (ford gt), but going retro is a bit lazy and uninspiring from a designers pov imho, making a variation on what has been.... It would probably be a big succes among Hipsters... From that pov I think audi's are also uninspiring. shaving off all the details, so that there is nothing left which can annoy people. But that means that there's also nothing left to like... In that scope I much more prefer the new alfa Giulia compared to lets say an audi a4.
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I think we can all agree that customer desires and good design don't always match up. If customers want a pig it's still a pig no matter how much lipstick you use.
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