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But as others mention, once you drive it, there is simply no reason to question the choice except dogmatic nonsense. |
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10-22-2014, 10:43 AM | #24 |
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X5...
Anyone remember Hans Stuck's hotlaps around the ring in the X5...OK, it had a 12 cylinder LMP motor in it...
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Not low numbers, but another Quasi M-Car. The guy above saying this is the same as AMG is crazy. AMG's 1 engine 1 man is now calling many people over from this deluded non focused brand. |
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10-22-2014, 11:10 AM | #30 |
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I agree with BMW copying the "S" Audi model thing, it gives more value and differentiation from "base engine models" in aesthetics and performance.
BMW was losing against Audi in this department. A 235i model would not have competed against the S3. The M235i is not bad. Also the S4 is faster than the newer 335i and it has a Sport Differential. The same thing happens with the 6 series vs S7s The most important thing of this note is that now we have the exact power the new B engine on the M440i will have, and it's a huge improvement. Last edited by Manbnda; 10-22-2014 at 11:21 AM.. |
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10-22-2014, 11:18 AM | #32 |
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I really like my X4. I have the M-sport package, 20" black rims, LED headlights with all the exterior pieces blacked out on ALpine White and it looks sick... i will agree the pics make it look like the GT cars and when you look at them in person they are not the same at all. X4 is far better looking... its fast in the 35i version and will actually take turns just as good as my F30 328.. they are just a fun car to drive and you have to see it in person before you knock it.
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10-22-2014, 11:29 AM | #33 |
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Hmm, interesting. Exterior styling is not exactly my taste, but at least it has a N55
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10-22-2014, 11:54 AM | #35 | |
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Also the original post claims that production will start THIS December? This contradicts previous leaks that gave an SOP of Dec 2015. I'm doubting this would have been moved up a full year. As of a few weeks ago my Client Advisor wasn't convinced this car was going to happen. |
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10-22-2014, 12:15 PM | #37 | |
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We all have opinions and would like to see BMW do what we think would be best. I think most of us understand that BMW makes cars to make money, but what makes BMW such a valuable brand is the enthusiasm and loyalty of its customers. A lot of us here are passionate about these cars and this brand. Especially M cars. So, yes, I will and others will constructively criticize BMW (or "hate")on these forums when we feel it is warranted. But I would also add that I generally agree with your points.
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Yes! And remember thinking: "They'll NEVER make an M-X5.. (nope that's a Miata) or X5M.. or whatever they'll call it.." lol
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The engine in the 1M was first used in the Z435is and 335is and it ended up being an excellent car. I am buying an M2 and I could care less if it ends up in something else. Just my opinion.
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Production starts December 2015 as before.
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So why do you buy this car instead of Macan? Any thoughts? I can't seem to find a single answer on my own.
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The whole "real M engine" conversation is very frustrating to me. On one side, you've got people shouting down anyone who complains that the N55B30T0 isn't a real M engine. The argument seems to be: "if the performance is there, why complain?" Well, because there is more to a great car than performance. Back when I drove a MkV GTI, a Nissan Altima V6 had better 0-60 performance. Does that make the Nissan Altima equivalent to a GTI? Hell no! Not if you're a car enthusiast. The experience of driving the GTI was worlds apart from an Altima. Granted, the things that differentiated the GTI from the rest of the automotive world were far fewer than the things that differentiate an M-car from the rest of the pack, but it was that short list of things that made all the difference. The M2 has one fewer things on its list of differentiating factors. Is that the end of the world? No, of course not. I hope I'm not coming across to breathlessly desperate over that fact. The M2 is still very high on my list of cars that could replace my current M, but I will still lament the absence of the S65 in my life. Sorry of that sounds a little to melodramatic, but that's how I feel about cars. Every time I start my car, I leave the door open so I can hear it. It's that experience that drove me to M. If that erodes too far, I'll go looking elsewhere. Quote:
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I don't like the phrasing "real M". It sounds elitist, so I'm going to avoid it from here on. Apparently some people cannot be bothered to be generous in their interpretation when someone says "real M", so we must avoid that phrasing altogether. My complaint is this: In the past cars developed by M GmbH placed a very high priority on all of the things that automotive enthusiasts held dear. All the components that delivered excellent handling and performance were reworked by M. This meant dramatically upgraded suspension, improved steering response, and an engine that delivered not only performance, but excitement. By using the N55B30T0 in the M2, M GmbH has shown that they are willing to compromise on the last item. Let's avoid a false dichotomy here. It's all shades of gray. It's hard to argue that a bespoke (or mostly bespoke) engine wasn't a big part of the draw of an M car, even dating back to the E30 M3. Case in point, the US model E36 M3 got a half-ass M-engine, and it's the most overlooked of the M3 lineup. This is great news for the X4 M40i. I'm thrilled, especially considered the fact that this car is on my list of potential purchases. I just think it's concerning that M GmbH have chosen to forego a special variation of the N55 in the M2 in lieu of a what is becoming a series production engine. That's close, but as cSurf pointed out above, it's more the other way around. The drag is that the X4 M40i engine is being used in the M2, rather than the other way around
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