02-19-2019, 03:27 PM | #23 |
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Thanks for the reply.
Exactly. Well over 100k. I'm also doing most work myself. I agree that it's not a terrible leak but seepage but the car is 5yo with only 53k miles under CPO and the fact that BMW says it's not an issue is just.... They would definitely "help" me to take care of those issues if it was out of warranty. If the transfer case had a leak and I wasn't taking covers off to check what is going on I'd probably notice it when it would be too late to fix a leak but would need a new transfer case. All those powertrain parts are covered as you know and transfer case doesn't have much fluid in it. It could seep till it's empty without leaving any spots on the garage floor. It seems like newer BMW's are designed to start failing after warranties run out. |
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02-19-2019, 05:49 PM | #24 |
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Hmmm.....got me thinking now - maybe it's time to pull my underbelly covers and give some serious thought to creating strategically placed 'trap doors' (like the one covering pan drain plug) to make it quick/simple to inspect undercarriage.
Yeah, your car is pretty young to be having minor 'seepage' issues. What's your plan going forward? |
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02-20-2019, 08:58 AM | #25 |
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Not sure at this moment to tell you the truth....
N20 engine chain issue alone made me think that I'd have to get rid of it and now more stuff that will not be an easy and cheap fix even if I'd try it myself. The guy that runs bmwtechnician.com suggested getting rid of the car if the chain issue will not be fixed while under warranty. That was before I found out about those seepage issues.... My rear tailgate lights are off also) Passed Inspection at BMW. They didn't even notice. That's a known issue and easy fix though. I got some time to think. The worse part that I still owe a ton for it and the value of any BMW drops like crazy for the first 6 years. I was planning to keep it for a long time.... Maybe I'll send those pictures along with some pictures of my 17 y.o. Honda Odyssey with 167k miles with no sign of any seepage to BMW of NA... I know they wouldn't care... |
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02-20-2019, 09:18 AM | #27 |
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Hmmm, not a good situation for you. I bought my 2012 X3 from original owner last summer- I knew of the chain guide issue in the early 4 banger motors as I follow the F30 sedan forum a bit, so I limited my search to non-turbo I-6 motor.
Unfortunately I think you already have your answer from BMW, but suppose nothing lost to give it another go- worst they can say is reiterate no repair at this point. These Germans and their plastic parts, ugh. The old E39's with V-8 motors were known to have the plastic guides fail as mileage passed the 100K mark. You had an E46...you know all about the plastic cooling system stuff👎 Best of luck/Bill |
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This morning I pulled the lower front underbelly cover - see pics. Bit of oil on the transfer case, but not much. Everything else is bone dry, knock on wood. Car has 66K on the clock. Bill |
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Is there any experience with a post-2015 N20 F25 achieving high mileage (more than 150,000 miles) with no engine related issues?
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Your transfer case looks very different than mine. Probably because your car has N52 motor. It looks like that on your TC design it'll be easier to replace the gasket. Not sure about it but mine has 2 halves and the only way to replace a gasket on it would require taking it off and disassemble it completely...... You should check if yours is easier to fix in case you will need to later. I'm sure you know that N52 is a good engine and you should be able to put a lot more miles on it if it's been taking cared of and you don't mind replacing VC gasket and oil pen gasket. Oil pen gasket is a pain to do but doable DiY. Mine is N20 that I have no idea if it'll go another 1K or 40K before it grenades. Some people are having wining noise as a symptom of the stretched chain and some have no symptoms before it goes. I sent more pics to my SA and he told me he was going to send them to BMW rep who supposedly makes a call for warranty repairs. If BMW will not replace it before CPO runs out I will get rid of the car. Unfortunately. And I'm pretty sure this will be my last bimmer. According to BMW this transfer case has a "life time" fluid. It doesn't even have a drain plug like yours. And at the same time they tell me that CPO doesn't cover seepage...... BS... So that's where I'm at. Sucks.... I have a 2009 128i with manual with 75K. I'll keep that one for my son. Good luck with yours. Stan |
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just followed up this seeing what is happening, the judge cleared the way and told BMW they have a case to answer. I am sure i am not allowed to post link on website where you can view some of the details for Case No. 2:17*-cv-07386.
The people opening the case, are demanding BMW to make an official recall and fix all BMW timing chains regardless of status and to refund peoples money who have been affected by this..... BMW gave extended warranty however they knew it would not be enough. Timing chains are basically supposed to last a lot longer than a rubber belt (which is common knowledge and why people like a chain, saves on maintenance costs in long run) |
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07-05-2019, 02:19 PM | #35 |
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If the website is one which anyone can readily access via the internet, i.e. public domain, I can't see any reason you cannot reference it here- let us know.
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I don't know a whole lot about how these types of cases work, but I'm hoping they get to some kind of a discovery phase soon. I want to see the statistics that BMW has been keeping related to the types of failures they have seen, under what conditions and the total number of vehicles that have had a repair, any kind of repair, caused by the defective timing chain guides. They should be able to obtain this information through discovery.
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08-27-2019, 02:16 PM | #37 |
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fake news?
my 2013 328 timing chain failed at 82,000 miles two weeks ago bud. please tell me more of how this is fake news
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Evening all, my 2013 X3 F25 2.8 also had lost power while on the highway a month or so ago. Luckily no one was hurt, but obviously it was a close one. Got it towed and inspected by the dealer. $350 later i was quoted $14,000 for engine replacement due to a broken timing chain. Car has been sitting in the driveway since then. 140,000 miles.
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The N20 issue is definitely class action worthy, it's a real problem. Edit: location says he's in New Jersey so I'm guessing typo and he meant 2.0?
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watch from 06:39 on as he describes the death of the car. after watching this video and reading the comments it's definitely a real problem. |
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