[chris719]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Come on man, Do research before you post

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...ailure.256629/

No, I don't need to know whatever issues Tesla is having to know that over the next decade across the industry the reliability of AC induction motors is going to be like an order of magnitude better than ICE. It is basic physics and reliability engineering. You're just grasping and full of it.

You post a scaremongering article from the Christian Science Monitor about how 2/3rds of Model S drive units will need replacement by 60k miles. That did not hold true. It is bullshit. There is no post 324 in the thread you just linked.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by chris719

No, I don't need to know whatever issues Tesla is having to know that over the next decade across the industry the reliability of AC induction motors is going to be like an order of magnitude better than ICE. It is basic physics and reliability engineering. You're just grasping and full of it.

I'm looking at facts, Its an EV reality.

You are looking at your crystal ball, (or is it an magic 8 ball)? Will we ever have reliable EV's? Probably. Will we ever have reliable ICE's why yes, yes will will. We already do in fact.

When tesla moved from dead last in the reliability index to 19th place out of 24 major brands, that's proof of EV progress. Only 18 more places to go.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

I'm looking at facts, Its an EV reality.

You are looking at your crystal ball, (or is it an magic 8 ball)? Will we ever have reliable EV's? Probably. Will we evner have reliable ICE's why yes, yes will will. We already do in fact.

When tesla moved from dead last in the reliability index to 19th place out of 24 major brands, that's proof of EV progress. Only 18 more places to go.

This is an EV thread not a Tesla thread. They may or may not survive or be a dominant player long term. Regardless of Tesla's famous lack of ability to put a car together, it is painfully obvious that electric motors are/can/will be more reliable than complex ICEs. There is nothing more to be said.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by chris719

There is no post 324 in the thread you just linked.

This topic, silly. scroll up a few posts. Read them all before you report back, please.

I don't need to know whatever issues Tesla is having

I think I have identified your ^ problem, you don't like facts.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by chris719

This is an EV thread not a Tesla thread. They may or may not survive or be a dominant player long term. Regardless of Tesla's famous lack of ability to put a car together, it is painfully obvious that electric motors are/can/will be more reliable than complex ICEs. There is nothing more to be said.

there are more Tesla's than all other EV's combined. Current new EV market share is ~65 percent.

The topic point I'm replying to was how cheap they are to keep on the road, and how their motors never fail. They are not cheap to keep drivable, and their motors do fail. All verifiable.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

This topic, silly. scroll up a few posts. Read them all before you report back, please.



I think I have identified your ^ problem, you don't like facts.

I checked. It’s not verification or proof that 60% of drive units needed replacing. The methodology alone is ridiculous. Sampling 300 early units and curve fitting that is not sound. If you do that to the E46 M3 at launch the same way they did this, for example, you would have concluded that every single engine would have died by 60k. 60% of a small group doesn’t mean a lot.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by chris719

If you do that to the E46 M3 at launch the same way they did this, for example, you would have concluded that every single engine would have died by 60k.

And if if they had a high failure rate, I'd think a blanket statement that they should last a million miles was inappropriate.

That's the problem with hyperbole, sets you up to defend non-facts.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

And if if they had a high failure rate, I'd think a blanket statement that they should last a million miles was inappropriate.

That's the problem with hyperbole, sets you up to defend non-facts.

We agree on that. Elon Musk says all kinds of bullshit. Full self driving coming “real soon”.

I won’t be caught dead in a Tesla but I’m still pretty confident that they will be cheaper to run than most of the cars they compete with out of warranty. This is a BMW forum, the horror stories are but a click away.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by chris719

We agree on that. Elon Musk says all kinds of bullshit. Full self driving coming “real soon”.

I won’t be caught dead in a Tesla but I’m still pretty confident that they will be cheaper to run than most of the cars they compete with out of warranty.

I think in 5 to 7 years, that will be easily proven true for most all brands. Hopefully tesla keeps up with their competition on the quality front. They could do better, lets hope they choose to do so.

This is a BMW forum, the horror stories are but a click away.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Chris where in NJ are you? I gotta shake your hand man lol.

And I’ll let you drive my plaid when I get it lol

[Kolyan2k]

I don't know what this whole thread is about but I recently tested drove Model Y LR and Audi A5 Sportback Sline. I'd probably take Audi. The fit and finish on Tesla is pretty shitty and it would be hard to drive that everyday. On the other hand, if I look at it from the point of saving some money, less maintenance, maybe it's a good idea to buy one (or perhaps M3P) YLR or M3P cost $44k after tax credit which is reasonable I guess. I have solar panels and about $1200 credit with power company for charging so that makes it even better.

What do you think? Pull the trigger on 2021 Audi fully loaded or Model 3 Performance?

Ps. Audi has Android Auto which is SO much better than useless Tesla tablet. And I do admit that Tesla drives nice too, I dont have a problem with that or EV in general. I even like the exterior design, but interior is just night and day difference and comfort too.

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by Onesie

If you go see a Corolla you’ll save even more.

But at least Tesla is fast and I can charge at home It's not that simple.

[TargaM2]

Synthetic fuels - light at the end of the tunnel ?

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Synthetic fuels - light at the end of the tunnel

I don't understand why hydrogen fuel cell cars aren't getting a bigger push. The synthetic fuels are quite interesting but I suspect no one in government will support it, might be a good transition for the O&G refiners though.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

But at least Tesla is fast and I can charge at home It's not that simple.

It's pretty simple. If you REALLY want to save money you don't buy either of those. Now that we know you don't actually want to save money the choice is much easier. You spent half your post shitting on the Tesla so why would you even consider it. You said "The fit and finish on Tesla is pretty shitty and it would be hard to drive that everyday" so why would you even consider buying it. Get the Audi.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

It's pretty simple. If you REALLY want to save money you don't buy either of those. Now that we know you don't actually want to save money the choice is much easier. You spent half your post shitting on the Tesla so why would you even consider it. You said "The fit and finish on Tesla is pretty shitty and it would be hard to drive that everyday" so why would you even consider buying it. Get the Audi.

That’s good advice. The Audi cost the same as the plaid, but is a tiny bit slower but remarkably better looking. I bet my left pinky finger that the quality is significantly better also on the Audi.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Patton250

That’s good advice. The Audi cost the same as the plaid, but is a tiny bit slower but remarkably better looking. I bet my left pinky finger that the quality is significantly better also on the Audi.

tiny bit slower?

the Plaid is untouchable at 1.99 seconds...

the Audi is fast af but would get absolutely demolished at 3.1 seconds

and better looking to YOU

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

tiny bit slower?

the Plaid is untouchable at 1.99 seconds...

the Audi is fast af but would get absolutely demolished at 3.1 seconds

and better looking to YOU

I don’t think that’s much of a difference, considering how remarkably better looking the Audi is. I mean the plaid looks almost as bad as a Prius.

Sorry for the edit. I had to ask. Do you really think the Plaid is a good looking car objectively? I mean seriously? Be honest lol

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I don’t think that’s much of a difference, considering how remarkably better looking the Audi is. I mean the plaid looks almost as bad as a Prius.

Sorry for the edit. I had to ask. Do you really think the Plaid is a good looking car objectively? I mean seriously? Be honest lol

lmfao

just dumb if you think that is not much of a difference and this looks like a Prius we are done...you're just a clueless troll at this point



better looking and not too mention almost twice the range and the Audi is not even close in tech or charging network....

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

lmfao

just dumb if you think that is not much of a difference and this looks like a Prius we are done...you're just a clueless troll at this point



better looking and not too mention almost twice the range and the Audi is not even close in tech or charging network....

Clueless troll = a people or person with the audacity to hold a different opinion the SoCal_NSX

Yes, I think it’s ugly. I think all Teslas are ugly. Do you think I’m happy about that? I love Elon Musk, and what he’s done. I love the idea that in the beginning it was free market enterprise created by an entrepreneur. I loved the excitement around it and still do. I also agree with you that the network for charging is pretty impressive. Too bad other EV cars can’t charge at Tesla stations but that’s a different discussion. All that has nothing to do with the fact that my opinion is the entire lineup of cars looks stupid. The wheels look stupid. The shape looks stupid and yes they all look like a Prius. They look a lot more like a Prius than that Audi does or any BMW does. That’s a fact. Just because you disagree with me I won’t call you any names.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

lmfao

just dumb if you think that is not much of a difference and this looks like a Prius we are done...you're just a clueless troll at this point



better looking and not too mention almost twice the range and the Audi is not even close in tech or charging network....

A plaid is A LOT better looking over an etron what the fuck are people smoking?

Where is Vic55 ?

Please post pics of your plaid.

Car needs zero cosmetic mods. Tint it and maybe lower it on stock wheels and that’ll look better than almost any 4 door sedan on the market today. And faster than all of them too.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

A plaid is A LOT better looking over an etron what the fuck are people smoking?

Where is Vic55 ?

Please post pics of your plaid.

Car needs zero cosmetic mods. Tint it and maybe lower it on stock wheels and that’ll look better than almost any 4 door sedan on the market today. And faster than all of them too.

I know a Vic. Very cool guy. He also has other really bad ass ice vehicles and probably owns the plaid just because he can. The back half of the plaid looks almost identical to a Prius. If you like that style of car that’s cool. I like the front end of a G80 and I’m in the minority on that. I don’t care. I’ve seen plenty of plaids in person. My Porsche dealership has a dozen of them that were traded in on Tycans and other Porsche vehicles. My BMW dealership also has some. Of course they’ve all crashed in price because Elon dropped prices so both these dealerships are going to take losses on them.

The idea that you would say that it’s the best looking sedan in the market just shows you that you and I are in two completely different universes. I don’t think the look of any Tesla comes close to even some of the ugliest of cars. Corolla looks better than the entire Tesla lineup. Hell, my sons, Elantra looks better than the plaid. Lol. I’ll tell you what I’ll compromise with you. Whats that that ugly ass box shaped SUV? I think the model 3 probably looks better than that car.