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      06-10-2021, 02:47 AM   #133
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Considering my Carbon Black 2021 is just weeks away from arrival...

Bad - Missed out on Tanzanite Blue
Good - avoided the fugly bumper treatments and the half-baked hybrid system.
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      06-10-2021, 02:54 AM   #134
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That's nothing new. They always have more and better options than us in the USA.
Ironic since they build the damn things in Spartanburg
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      06-10-2021, 03:26 AM   #135
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the half-baked hybrid system.
How is it half baked? All the reviews I've seen of the new M440i and the updated M340i have all been saying how good the hybrid system is
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      06-10-2021, 04:09 AM   #136
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Ironic since they build the damn things in Spartanburg
It doesn't matter where a vehicle is built. The choice of options offered is often one of geographic preference, local regulations, and most important, how the manufacturer is trying to position the vehicle in the local market. In North America, greater luxury usually means greater size. So better options are reserved for larger cars here. In most of the rest of the world, there's not that distinction, usually because roads, driveways and garages are smaller. So smaller cars often have many more available options.

And fwiw, most of the rest of the world can only laugh when North Americans complain about foreign cars offerings as we pay so much less for vehicles that almost anywhere else.
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      06-10-2021, 07:44 AM   #137
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3) Design details like M color stitching on the steering wheel, M mirrors, double slats in the grille and M badge on the grille are traditionally reserved for proper M cars. Why are they now being used on the X4 M40i?
It is in the normal order of things that features from the higher-end M vehicles eventually make their way down to the lesser ones, with M Motorsport actual racecars standing at the top end of the spectrum and M Sport production trim at the lower end. As previously released features are trickling down the ladder, all-new features keep being released higher up to feed the continuous improvement cycle. Hence why M mirrors, M grille, M hood with power dome, M carbon roof, M spoiler, M safety belts... either already have or eventually will make their way to lower-tier models. This cascading down of iconic M features doesn't seem problematic per se as long as the hardcore M models higher up the ladder keep in turn gaining new race-derived features that keep them unmistakably sportier and more desirable than the lower-end versions (better aero, more carbon standard, lighter wheels with centerlock nuts, sportier seats, more alcantara, more M stitching, more red details, larger paddle shifters...?).

Having said that, I do agree that this model refresh here is perhaps demoting too many M features at a time (M double-slat grille, M grille badge, M color steering wheel...). But BMW is obviously keen on making its M lineup look like a continuum / color gradient / steady stairway, rather than a binary step function with 'real M models' on one side and 'fake M models' on the other: all M-branded models are the same breed, they just get more purebred the higher you go up the ladder (can't find that chart right now, but it's interesting they are now labeling the base M models 'M High Performance' as if to round off the angles and better relate to the 'M Performance' models, just like Competition already relates to CS and CSL):

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      06-10-2021, 07:57 AM   #138
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Will they introduce the green colour in future or not? At least there is Tanzanite which is great but something different than the standard white, black and blue would be a nice touch.
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      06-10-2021, 10:06 AM   #139
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When will the US website update so we can start building. I know some of the sites in other Countries have already been updated.

Can’t wait to place my order. Hopefully similar discounts to the 2021.
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How is it half baked? All the reviews I've seen of the new M440i and the updated M340i have all been saying how good the hybrid system is
I'm trying to figure out what the advantage is to having the mild hybrid system. I can understand reviews being positive, just wondering what drivers are finding to be an advantage to having the system. It certainly will cost more in maintenance down the road. And it adds to the complexity of the drive train. An incremental increase in gas mileage is very minor, and a slightly smoother ASS experience seems to be negated by an inability to turn it off. More weight cuts the 0-60 time, but minutely. So what's the upside to adding this complicated system to the drive train?
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How is it half baked? All the reviews I've seen of the new M440i and the updated M340i have all been saying how good the hybrid system is
I'm trying to figure out what the advantage is to having the mild hybrid system. I can understand reviews being positive, just wondering what drivers are finding to be an advantage to having the system. It certainly will cost more in maintenance down the road. And it adds to the complexity of the drive train. An incremental increase in gas mileage is very minor, and a slightly smoother ASS experience seems to be negated by an inability to turn it off. More weight cuts the 0-60 time, but minutely. So what's the upside to adding this complicated system to the drive train?
CO2 reduction across the fleet for the Manufacturer.
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CO2 reduction across the fleet for the Manufacturer.
Yeah, that's pretty obvious. What I'm interested in finding out is what constitutes a positive review of this system. I'm all in favor of CO2 emission reduction, but I also imagine the production of this system adds to environmental issues, and batteries certainly can be an environmental contaminant. If it's only to keep regulators quiet, then I suppose we have to eat it. But is there any other upside to the expense? If BMW is worried about the environment maybe they should switch to electric faster, and quit building 382hp rockets, but not before I can buy one!
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I'm a little leery of the 48 volt mild hybrid system. Seems like it's aimed at fleet mileage per gallon, and of little other use. I wish it wasn't standard on the 6 cylinder. That was a great power plant that didn't need to be messed with. Looks like higher maintenance costs down the road with little payback. Please help me change my mind on this.
Agree completely. The current pre LCI M40i power-plant is more than sufficient to power and enjoy the X3. It is the main reason I purchased mine. It seemed to me to be the "Goldilocks" power-train as the 4 cylinder was not enough and the X3M was too much. Mild hybrid systems in general add needless cost and complexity to vehicles. Since the future maintenance costs are much more expensive, leasing hybrid/electric vehicles makes more sense. When I recently purchased my 911 Targa GTS I was cross shopping the Acura NSX and found that the hybrid power-train added too much complexity and future costs as I usually keep my vehicle a long time.
Also, I find that the present and future negative environmental impact resulting from the creation and disposal of these batteries is not worth the minimal benefits - if any. It appears to be change for the sake of change to satisfy some agenda which really makes no practical sense.
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      06-10-2021, 02:32 PM   #144
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Agree completely. The current pre LCI M40i power-plant is more than sufficient to power and enjoy the X3. It is the main reason I purchased mine. It seemed to me to be the "Goldilocks" power-train as the 4 cylinder was not enough and the X3M was too much. Mild hybrid systems in general add needless cost and complexity to vehicles. Since the future maintenance costs are much more expensive, leasing hybrid/electric vehicles makes more sense. When I recently purchased my 911 Targa GTS I was cross shopping the Acura NSX and found that the hybrid power-train added too much complexity and future costs as I usually keep my vehicle a long time.
Also, I find that the present and future negative environmental impact resulting from the creation and disposal of these batteries is not worth the minimal benefits - if any. It appears to be change for the sake of change to satisfy some agenda which really makes no practical sense.
That sums up my take on the present hybrid/EV completely. Believe me, I'm all in favor of green initiatives and trying to reverse climate change impacts. But I honestly believe that governments and manufacturers are rushing into the EV/hybrid space before we've adequately addressed the disposal/recycling of batteries, and the infrastructure needed to support a electric-heavy future. To say nothing of the added cost/complexity these systems are adding to otherwise straightforward ICE powertrains.
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I spoke with another dealer, and got the following response about ordering:


Probably have specs and programs on the 22 x3 in late July/August.


They did talk about taking a deposit, but I'm hesitant to put a deposit down without negotiating a price - as I don't want to give up my chance to get the best deal available by locking myself into a dealer now.

Thoughts?
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      06-10-2021, 04:37 PM   #146
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I spoke with another dealer, and got the following response about ordering:


Probably have specs and programs on the 22 x3 in late July/August.


They did talk about taking a deposit, but I'm hesitant to put a deposit down without negotiating a price - as I don't want to give up my chance to get the best deal available by locking myself into a dealer now.

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Yeah I would be hesitant to put any money down without knowing the details. I know I'm going to order one, but I need to see the configuration and negotiate the final price before I'd feel comfortable officially beginning the transaction.

If production begins in August wouldn't it make sense for them to start taking orders soon so they can begin processing once the 2021 orders are completed? Hopefully the late July/August you heard will be moved up.
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I spoke with another dealer, and got the following response about ordering:


Probably have specs and programs on the 22 x3 in late July/August.


They did talk about taking a deposit, but I'm hesitant to put a deposit down without negotiating a price - as I don't want to give up my chance to get the best deal available by locking myself into a dealer now.

Thoughts?
Yea, why should they collect interest from you while you wait 3 months! Granted not much, but keep your money until you make your deal.
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front seat ventilation & laser lights in conjuction with "sensatec" upholstery would be my heart's desire


Cant wait till the order guide comes out.
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front seat ventilation & laser lights in conjuction with "sensatec" upholstery would be my heart's desire


Cant wait till the order guide comes out.
Just curious, why sensatec over the leather for you?
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Cant wait till the order guide comes out.
I agree. I hope they allow heated rear seats with sensatec too. Completely arbitrary to require the upgrade to leather for that option.
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I spoke with another dealer, and got the following response about ordering:


Probably have specs and programs on the 22 x3 in late July/August.


They did talk about taking a deposit, but I'm hesitant to put a deposit down without negotiating a price - as I don't want to give up my chance to get the best deal available by locking myself into a dealer now.

Thoughts?
Yea, why should they collect interest from you while you wait 3 months! Granted not much, but keep your money until you make your deal.
Agreed. They claim it would put me earlier in the order list, but still not comfortable doing it without the order book and negotiation.

Especially, as a 1st time BMW buyer I don't have a long term relationship with the dealer to trust them to do right by me.
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I actually emailed the authors of the press release trying to determine dates for Order/Price Guides etc. They bumped it upstairs and got back a very nice note stating that the bmwusa.com configurator will go up on July 16 (not a typo - it will be JULY 16). So we can stop looking for awhile! Did not get dates for Guides going to dealers - maybe someone else knows this? Also asked if press release will be coming out for the M's Will let you know response.
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... configurator will go up on July 16 (not a typo - it will be JULY 16)...
So ROW got a 5 weeks jumps. Hard to believe as this is where they make their money (except for China) and they treat us like shit...

I might not be driving a X3 by the time they got the configurator up

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