05-13-2018, 12:17 AM | #23 |
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Macan feels much smaller compared to the X3 m40i. You get the Porsche badge, and PDK is lovely, but you'll pay for it. The X3 m40i is the performance bargain in its segment. If you're looking to spend that much money, compare the X5 to the Macan.
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05-13-2018, 02:01 AM | #24 | |
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We were offered a stock X5 for less than I paid to order the X3. The X5 is a lovely car but it wouldn’t have fit in our garage and my wife wanted an SUV for the height, but was a bit nervous about how long and wide they get. It beggars belief that anyone would take the wrong car just because the rest didn’t cost enough. Last edited by nxa; 05-13-2018 at 02:14 AM.. |
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I collect my M40i tomorrow (all being well!) and I have spent the best part of 6 months trying all options that appealed. I’ve had my current SQ5 from new for 3 years and I’ll be honest- I fell in love with that car. First SUV and it still makes me smile... so replacing has been hard! -Stelvio -SQ5 -Levante (diesel and s) -GLC 43 -GLE 43 Coupe -Macan (Turbo & GTS) I hadn’t even considered an X3 as I have never liked the look of the previous generations. I was deliberating over the GTS or Turbo Macan when a colleague showed me the new X3 M40i in a magazine he was reading ... I went to my dealer and they only had an Msport diesel in the show room- but I did like the look of it! Then we test drove a 540 (dealer thought it’d give a good idea of the quality interior and features and a refined version of the engine) and we then drove the 240i to give more of an idea of the loud/sporty fun version of the engine. I left unsure as I’d driven the Macans twice... and loved them, but couldn’t drive an M40i... I went home and did some research... all reviews were massively positive about the M40i... it was all over YouTube with various reviews and drag videos etc... So this was starting to get me excited... - 5 series interior tech and quality - new model with very up to date technology and feel - performance matched the Macan Turbo (on paper) and beat the GTS - the Macan is an outgoing model due an upgrade (which I can’t wait for) - exact same options on the m40i was £10k less than an equivalent Macan... So I bit the bullet! I hope (I’m sure) the car has been worth the wait and proves I made the corr ct choice! |
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05-13-2018, 11:22 AM | #27 |
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There are a lot of 300+ bhp suggestions. Question from OP indicates that 200+ bhp might be enough.
World class handling (in the US? ) seem also not be on top of the list. Then I find a couple of suggestions a bit over the top. E.g Macan S/turbo and M40i. What about XC60 - World class safety? Or F Pace - voted most beatiful car by Womens organisation - and others. There are reports that quality of F Pace has been improved. |
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05-14-2018, 04:27 PM | #29 | |
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The only comparisons to the G01 wrt cargo vol are the New Cayenne Turbo which still has less, at 23.6 cu ft, or the F-Pace, Range Rover, XC60, or SQ5. Even the Urus has 21.8 and the Cullinan 21.0. |
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05-14-2018, 05:56 PM | #30 |
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X3 M40i all the way unless you're going to go with a Turbo Macan. Personally, I'd choose to save the cash and take the BMW and still have plenty of cash for misc fun additions to it, if you want. A base Macan or an S are both slower and feel less refined that my M40i...and feel much smaller inside. Plus I cannot stand the look of all of the buttons on the Porsche...
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05-15-2018, 09:58 AM | #31 |
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Macan is tiny inside compared to the X3. Also I think I'd look into the new F Pace SVR also with that beautiful sounding engine! But yea the X3 I think is best bang for buck!
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05-15-2018, 04:44 PM | #33 | |
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Let me flip this around: if you were looking at the Macan, you wouldn't look at other SUVs in the same price range? |
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05-26-2018, 10:56 PM | #34 | |
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05-27-2018, 12:58 AM | #35 |
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Been meaning to respond to this thread for a while, but I keep forgetting. Former Cayenne GTS owner here, and recent BMW convert. I can’t speak to the Macan beyond cross-shopping it with the G01 which, as has been pointed out, is sort of daft given that they occupy such distinctly different spaces in terms of class and price. Unless you’re wedded to the Porsche brand and the Macan is a grail of yours, you’ll probably come to the same conclusion I eventually did: the M40i is just…better.
Subjectively, of course. There are lots of considerations. But unless you have a Macan on hand to compare the M40 to on a fairly regular basis, you won’t miss the Porsche’s fit and finish. When you’re feeling lead-footed, you won’t be disappointed with the M40 vs the Macan either—the X3's got it beat everywhere except on body roll in the twists and PDK, but nobody's coming close to that anyway. I would argue from a pure love-of-engineering standpoint, the Macan's absolutely not more spectacular than the M40 by $30k. I’d also argue that the M40i feels an awful lot like that Cayenne GTS. And that’s saying something. Let us know what you choose. Last edited by Cottonmouth; 05-27-2018 at 01:19 AM.. |
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I have not driven a macan in four years but when I last drove one i did not care for it in any way, it had a prolonged transition at the tops and bottom of hills with turns in them and it had old mazda glc knock out dummy switches in the center console and had like three dead switches on the left and five on the right, i mean they didn't even try to match them up. the infinity QX30 is the mercedes GLC underneath, pay the extra two grand and get the mercedes you will thank me for that advise in five year on trade in value. my previous car was a volvo xc60 Rdesign had it for five years, it was a perfectly reliable car, never once did something break or go wrong. it was stiffly sprung which I loved but my family was not happy about. the engine in that car was a porshe design, ironic given how much I disliked the macan.
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05-27-2018, 01:09 PM | #37 | |
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05-28-2018, 01:15 PM | #41 | |
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Dual Clutches like the Porsche PDK, are jerky during low-speed situations, loud and clunky. Most makes are actually going back to the Torque converter Automatics. And to be honest the dual clutch transmissions that I have had in the past didn't really shift that much faster to me. I use to be a Dual-Clutch trans fanatic but now I don't even care about them. The faster shifts (that you wont notice) aren't enough to offset the other flaws of that transmission. |
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05-28-2018, 02:18 PM | #42 |
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I agree, the PDK is the best of the dual clutch boxes and in the Macan S and Macan Turbo PP is supremely impressive, but IMHO for 99% of real world driving it is bested by the superb ZF 8 speed.
The Macan may handle slightly better (especially in GTS format) but that flight deck centre console annoys me with the myriad switches (and blanks!), the infotainment system is not even as good as iDrive 5 let alone 6, and the rear seat and boot space are barely comparable to my 340i wagon, let alone the X3. I love the Macan, but even if a Macan GTS was the same price as the X3 M40i i'd still choose the X3. In reality once you spec them up the Macan the price difference is HUGE. Admittedly the Macan will hold its value better, but with a new Macan on the horizon i suspect that will change too...
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My only source of annoyance now is finding 21" all season tires (currently impossible) because I refuse to take those gorgeous 718M rims off. God help me. Last edited by Cottonmouth; 05-28-2018 at 02:28 PM.. |
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The issue is that in slow speed parking-lot situations you do not get full clutch engagement. The system just slips the clutch and gives it dabs of gas regardless of your actual throttle position. it isn't smooth at all. And inclines are worse. You give it a little more gas because its on an incline and the thing just takes off on you. I don't think these dual clutch transmissions have any type of incline sensor tied into the system. So the same engagement is applied weather you are on a hill or not. Which leads to different behaviors when you apply the same amount of gas in either situation. To each his own I guess but I'm done with the dual-clutch transmissions. They aren't smooth and don't really offer anything over the modern slush boxes. To be honest I cant tell the difference between shift times. The difference is that small. |
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