07-14-2012, 05:03 AM | #23 | |
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Just been having a read through the PistonHeads thread - it's HUGE! My take on it is (all very subjective and feel free to correct me):
Some but maybe not all stop/start BMWs are affected
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This is getting more and more coverage in the UK including in national press such as AutoExpress. I expect BMW will have to act but the cost of fixing the flawed security is huge as the cars take so long to code. Will be more of a concern to us X3 owners / prospective owners if X3s start getting reported but £100 for fitting an OBD switch seems like a bargain as an interim safe measure.
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07-14-2012, 06:43 AM | #24 | |
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Note 2011 X6 as one of the cars easily unlocked, still not seen an F series done but it must be just as easy. Definitely looking into disabling my ODB port!
http://www.zdnet.com/hackers-steal-k...eo-7000000507/ Quote:
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07-14-2012, 12:33 PM | #26 |
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No, but at the moment there appears to be a much higher proportion of BMWs stolen by these devices than other makes. Just look at the size of the PistonHeads thread (62 pages and getting updated daily with more reports) and the number of reported BMWs stolen this year. To put it into context the police are knocking on the doors of people who own BMWs in Birmingham and advising them to put a steering lock on their car or to add some other additional security.
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07-15-2012, 12:48 PM | #27 |
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This story is now making the national press, not just car magazines
http://www.mirror.co.uk/authors/quen...i-tech-1142902
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Police and thieves chase will keep going, I am sure car manufacturers will soon come up with an update to hide/ lock the key data from such thieves.
I am wondering if I can find a lock to lock my OBD port. |
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07-15-2012, 02:35 PM | #30 | |
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I'm seriously looking at an OBD switch or just manually disconnecting the port or tucking it up behind a dummy port. Will be interested to see what some of the contributors on the PH forum do protect their OBD ports. The other option is asking BMW to disable or block the free key slots. I think (based on what I've read) they can't add a key if there aren't any free slots without flashing the firmware on the CAS and that takes hours (and probably requires more skill) whereas just adding one key takes about a minute and requires a £100 device any muppet can buy and use. The downside to this is the added cost/inconvenience if you then lose your key. I am going to contact my dealer and see what they say (after denying that there is a problem!)
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08-21-2012, 10:45 AM | #31 |
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Quick update on this so it doesn't fall out of sight, out of mind. There are loads more reports of stolen BMWs on the pistonheads thread which is now 83 pages long which says a lot. However, I still haven't seen anyone post a report of an F series getting stolen in this way which is reassuring - for now at least.
Disgraceful how BMW have denied it's a problem and not provided some sort of free solution to prevent this huge loophole in their security. As someone said in one of the links below, it shouldn't be easier to steal a new £40k BMW than it is a bicycle! pistonheads thread Some more info here: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...g_bmws_re.html
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08-21-2012, 03:59 PM | #32 |
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Apparently there is a difference between the E series and F series vehicles, with the latter needing the ignition to be switched on in order to craft a new key.
If correct, this would make the stealing of our F25s not possible by this method. Not sure on the reliability of my source for this info though, but I hope it's right! |
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08-21-2012, 04:25 PM | #33 |
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that's somewhat both reassuring and disappointing at the same time... can't believe that bmw is still in denial...
makes me wonder whether to keep the x3 or not...
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08-21-2012, 04:39 PM | #35 |
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Agreed. If it gets OBD nicked the decision has been taken for you!
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08-22-2012, 12:19 AM | #36 |
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I agree Sfax a bit chicken and egg. Guess they relying on you not losing both keys or I assume there is some ability to completely reload the system if you do! Costly but if that means the OBD is not vulnerable then it's worth it for the minuscule risk of a double key loss.
The most popular way to steal a car is to break into the owner's house and steal the keys. Every car is vulnerable to that. A couple of years ago a friend had her Porsche stolen this way. The police knew whodunit and said "lucky your keys were downstairs because these guys will do whatever it takes to get the keys". Any car can be stolen and if I am unfortunate enough for them to decide it is mine I would prefer it to be OBD stolen than have a thug in my house looking for guys. Would the OBD risk make me change my car. No way and i am hopeful F series are not vulnerable in the same way. Might it happen. Yes, but so might a lot of other things. |
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Re. keys at home when you're at home, I always keep them upstairs and set the alarm downstairs. A lot of people leave them in plain view from a downstairs window which is again making it far too easy for them. Fair point on the avoiding confrontation but I still thinker it's safer not to invite them to steal in the first place
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Over here we have the firearm option if the perp shows up in the house...
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This posted tonight on Facebook by BMW UK in response to a comment from another BMW owner:
"As your X3 is an F25 model this does not affect you, as your vehicle has a different security system. Kind regards The BMW UK Facebook Team" |
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Good spot Bustofa. The speculation on PistonHeads suggested no F series are affected but it was never confirmed so good to read this. That PH thread today is full of people phoning BMW's customer services and giving them an earful and they're all getting told they will be contacted in 8 weeks by their dealer for an update. If you're pre March 2007 and affected there is no fix being offered which is harsh.
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This from BMW
12th september
BMW on BBC Watchdog & Channel 4 News Tonight Tonight BMW will feature as part of a piece on vehicle theft on the BBC programme Watchdog at 20:00 and on the Channel 4 News at 17:00. You may be asked by friends and family what your view of this is, so you need to be aware of the company position. BMW, like other manufacturers, has become the target of organised criminal operations that are targeting specific vehicles and using highly sophisticated equipment illegally to steal vehicles. Certain criminal threats, like the one highlighted on these programmes, simply do not exist when cars are designed and developed. This does not mean the car companies have done anything wrong, neither are they legally obliged to take any action. However, BMW has always taken security extremely seriously and has worked closely with police forces around the country (and the world), with Thatcham and with the industry body, the SMMT (The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders) to understand and mitigate against car crime wherever possible. Therefore, when we were made aware of this new form of attack, we took it very seriously and immediately launched an investigation. A vital point to acknowledge here is that there is no such thing as the unstealable car. There is no specific BMW security issue here, this is something which affects many brands, however organised criminals have targeted particularly desirable cars, with higher value parts and that is why BMW is amongst the brands affected. BMW prides itself on its vehicle security systems and all BMWs meet all UK and global security standards. Our engineers and technicians review all aspects of our vehicles constantly, including security systems, and after extensive research we are clear that none of our latest models - new 1 Series, 3 Series, 5 Series, 6 Series and 7 Series - nor any other BMW built after September 2011 can be stolen using the method highlighted. Given this information, no BMW UK company cars seem to be affected. For cars built before this date our investigations, jointly with the police, have identified late model BMW X5 and X6 as cars which have been focused on by organised criminals. We are now taking steps to mitigate against this type of theft for these two models and are contacting customers accordingly. For obvious security reasons we cannot say what these measures are. We are considering options for certain other models to see if similar measures might be applied. Should you be asked what our advice to customers on this issue is you can say: •When using remote locking, ensure the car has actually locked by checking a door. •Be careful with your keys and who you give them to (e.g. valet parking). There is a risk that they could be cloned. •Where ever possible park your car out of sight, in a locked garage or under the cover of CCTV cameras •In addition: We recommend servicing your BMW at dealerships capable of providing software updates (e.g. authorised BMW Dealerships) on a regular basis to give the opportunity of further enhancing theft protection. Anybody seeking for further advice should contact the BMW Customer Service Centre on 0800 083 4397. |
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