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This thread is like reading The Daily Mail. Of course the flip side is that the non-criminal majority of migrant workers come in to do the poorly paid jobs that support the ageing Norwegian population in retirement. Without cheap migrant labour there wouldn't be enough people in work to sustain your economy and it would collapse. Same situation in the UK.
Of course there will be criminals taking advantage of the situation. That's life.
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Recent studies have shown that immigration is not cost effective,its better to help people in their own countries, to build their own infrastructure, the chinese have recognized this referring to their work on the African continent, i suggest you educate yourself before stating things you can't understate with reliable studies! In norway aprox. 1/3 of the population is on welfare. Who will pay for this when the oil dwells are dry? In Spain 50% of the youth under 20 yrs are without work. I think theres is more than enough people in each country to manage the "low paid" jobs without the need to recruit from abroad. Cameron in the UK, Merkel in Germany, and former president Sarkozy in France have all said that immigration politics have failed... This is what your own prime minister said: http://www.france24.com/en/20110205-...ays-pm-cameron Lets now please keep to topic.. Stealing of BMWs :-) Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 04:36 AM.. |
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Wow, what an amazing revelation: A conservative prime minister says immigration isn't working. And all of these incredible completely independent and unbiased studies backing up the fact. Amazing. Thank you so much for enlightening me. How foolish I've been with the wool pulled over my eyes for so long. I appreciate you're not a native English speaker but as I said before, you'd have more credibility if you actually understood the words you were using. "i suggest you educate yourself before stating things you can't understate with reliable studies" is utter nonsense.
Put down your understated reliable studies [sic] in the right wing press and do your own arithmetic: People live much longer in retirement than they used to. They don't pay taxes. They don't have anything like as many children as they used to. Net result: Not enough home grown taxpayers. Not enough home grown workers. Comparing Norway or the UK with China shows a complete lack of understanding of economics and demographics. The Chinese economy is booming because they are rapidly catching up with the rest of the rich countries in the world. It's already starting to tail off as they catch up and it will look very different in 10 years from now I'll happily return to the main discussion when you stop trying to "educate" me
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/26...-s-prisons.htm Surge in Eastern European Criminals in Britain's Prisons Article By Shane Croucher: Subscribe to Shane's RSS feed December 7, 2011 2:53 PM GMT Polish, Romanian, Lithuanian and Latvian prisoners are a growing prescence among the multi-national British prison population. Analysis of the data by the International Business Times UK shows that over the past decade there has been a continuous trend of more foreign prisoners than is proportionate to foreign nationals in the British population at large. Where are the Foreign Nationals in Britain's Prisons From? Irish (736), Polish (756) and Nigerian (581) immigrants are all highly represented in British prisons. As a regional group, eastern Europeans make up most of the top ten nationalities other than British, at 1,835 prisoners. The next highest is Asians, at 1,366. Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 07:01 AM.. |
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If you read the text again, I state that its better to help people where they are and that the Chinese have recognized this.. And they also position themselves on the natural resources rich continent . Your cooking soup on a nail.... Bon appetite :-) Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 06:38 AM.. |
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Sorry, you do like selective reading, don't you? Just a paste from the last section from the link provided by yourself above: "Foreign Nationals 'Not More Likely to Commit Crime' Than Brits James Banks, senior criminology lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University, claims there's "little evidence" to support the theory that foreigners are more likely to commit crime than British nationals. "Increasing numbers of foreign nationals subject to remand and immediate custody are important drivers of the growth in the foreign national prison population," Banks wrote in a May 2011 article in the Howard Journal of Criminal Justice. "That foreign nationals lack the requisite antecedents and offence history to enable accurate risk assessment, coupled with a belief that they pose a greater risk of absconding than British nationals, may result in remand and custody as the default option in many cases. "Moreover, the significant number of foreign nationals convicted for drug offences appears to contribute to the number of foreign nationals subject to immediate custody." Banks added that "greater clarity in official data is required if we are to pinpoint the exact causes of this increase". " |
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just don't get me wrong, I hate criminals and I understand that sometimes emotions take over, and that foreign criminals make it to the press more often - criminals are criminals everythere and if you or your neighbour suffer from them it does not really matter where they are comming from - it is just bad. All societies have their own share of bad population, but my point is that it is more to do with general economic situation than a race or ethnic group.
Eventhough I work and live now in Belgium, I was born in Soviet Union - there were few criminals at those times. What has changed in the meantime is economic situation and general frustration with transition period - it was not easy. I am myself lithuanian and my parrents tell me that during 'their time' nobody used locks in villages - people trusted each other and it was simply 'not good to steal', etc. Most people did not change and are like that (though they use locks now), but there is a group of stupid and bad people who try to take advantage or weaker people by stealing etc? |
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Please keep your labels for yourself... rightwing media and that sort of rubbish.. labeling people is the easiest and most dumb way stupid people try to end a conversation when they do not have the substance, intellectual power and arguments to hold their stand.... Heres some snack for you : ( Suggest you just skip to conclusions whereas it can be a to much of intellectual power consumption for you to read the whole text:-) http://ftp.iza.org/dp2872.pdf Report made by : Frisch Centre About the Frisch Centre The Ragnar Frisch Centre for Economic Research is an independent research institution founded by the University of Oslo and operational from 1 January 1999. The Frisch Centre conducts economic research in co-operation with the Department of Economics at the University of Oslo. Another conclusion from state financed agency and researcher at the statistical central bureau in Norway: http://translate.google.com/translat...cle2403420.ece This is an article about a conclusion in an government report http://translate.google.com/translat...yrt%2F20055747 Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 08:59 AM.. |
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Surge in Eastern European Criminals in Britain's Prisons Article By Shane Croucher: Subscribe to Shane's RSS feed December 7, 2011 2:53 PM GMT Polish, Romanian, Lithuanian and Latvian prisoners are a growing prescence among the multi-national British prison population. Analysis of the data by the International Business Times UK shows that over the past decade there has been a continuous trend of more foreign prisoners than is proportionate to foreign nationals in the British population at large. -------------- You must count percent wise not number of criminals.. :-) If theres 2 Eskimos living in the UK and 1 is criminal than the criminal rate in the UK is 50 % for Eskimos... Now please do your math :-) Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 06:43 AM.. |
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Relating to that eastern european gangs have specialized on stealing high end BMWs which are transported to and sold in the former east block countries.. BMW does not notice the fact that they have an security breach and meanwhile owners have to pay with more expensive insurances and loss of vehicles... Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 07:35 AM.. |
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Im sorry I can't provide the food and also chew it for you if you know what i mean ... Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 07:39 AM.. |
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Dear Sir , Heres an quote for You :-) "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer German philosopher (1788 - 1860) Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 08:04 AM.. |
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Funny
However, very infantile... And tells a lot more about you than those you try to argue with :-) And it only fundaments what i stated earlier.. Quote:
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer German philosopher (1788 - 1860) Have a really nice day :-) Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 09:35 AM.. |
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08-03-2012, 09:29 AM | #39 |
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sssssshhhhh. Know when to stop
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a paper provided a graph and you took it with 100% certainty, while at the same time there is no evidence - as quoted by the specialist/scientist working on the subject. I understand that a simple graph with two lines/bars is visually appealing - but as a first thing I would question the reliability of data - there are allegedly more actual immigrants living in the UK than officialy registered number.
I have no intention to change you way of thinking, and as said before - I really feel and share your frustration - but I could not accept your overgeneralisation. The cars stollen in EU/Nordic countries do not end-up in EU's part of 'former easter block', but according to other newspapers, it travels much further to the south (geographically speaking) - Middle Asia. Same happened to my compatriots' cars newly bought in Lithuania, where 'supply' of new cars is limited, therefore criminals exploring other markets where 'supply' is higher ... What needs to be done is to stop 'demand' side - believe me, authorities in countries of former eastern block (politically speaking) are trying to solve this issue, but it is not easy, as we are speaking about organised crime. So you see - if you dig deeper, you find new layers - thus your generalisation is not 100% accurate as people from the eastern block are trying to solve this issue for the benefits of its own people and for your safety as well Quote:
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But the numbers don't lie in what ever way you turn and twist .. Reality speaks for itself and criminality has gone up the last years and there are more foreign criminals in UK jails now than for 10 years ago , the criminal percentage is higher than in the ethnic UK population. These are facts NOT fiction :-) The numbers are there for you to see. And I can understand you to doubt information from databases from not so good Universities as Oxford.... but what the heck.. From the "little known news agency" International Business Times: Quote:
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If there are more criminals in foreign countries, Ryanair is to blaim - the same is true in my native country - foreign criminals in LT are not only from 'further east', but also from the West and North (increase in rape cases increased quite substantily). If you want to develop this topic furhter, you can send me a private message, I will provide links to articles etc about increased criminality (of other type). My point is still the same - let's not generalise and simplify things. I feel ashamed of my compatriots who committ crimes, but I also know that there are people with fake LT passports traveling accross the EU (reported in national media) and doing bad things there. |
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Like the annoying kid in class who wouldn't shut up until every one agreed he was right and everyone else was wrong. Probably bullied for it which explains a lot.
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I have presented valid data and facts from reliable sources, what have you done except unveiling your ignorance? Please dont waste my time anymore :-) As for the other post with nonsense about Ryan air etc, needs no explanation, when someone can't thrust data provided from Oxford University , that speaks for itself ... When you start to ridicule your opponent that means that you have runned out of constructive arguments and that you have resigned, I really don't see any point on having a dialogue further with you ... My only saying is that time will show , and I hope that you won't in 10 years time will give me right :-) Because then society have taken turns that are not favorable . Have a nice day further you two :-) Just the last fact : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...of-Europe.html Last edited by X3andZ4owner; 08-03-2012 at 12:49 PM.. |
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