08-05-2011, 12:43 PM | #23 |
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I will not buy another diesel vehicle until diesel prices are cheaper than premium gas.
I had a 2011 X5d for 8 months before I sold it. Gas mileage was barely better than my friends X5 35i. Also got tried of paying over $80 to fill up the tank. |
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08-05-2011, 12:49 PM | #24 |
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At least this is a positive step forward. Still need the 28i version announced/released. Jason says "as of now..." Could we still see something coming this year???
Also, any word on the mpg's on these new engines? |
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08-05-2011, 12:57 PM | #26 | |
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That's not how BMW has been doing things lately though. Even before the N20, consider the 3.0L N52 which was offered with anywhere from about 215hp to 265hp.
And as south pointed out, this is not the first occurence of the N20B20 with 184hp. It was first announced for the X1 xDrive20i a few months back, and then more recently the Z4 and 5 series 20i models. Soon all 20i BMW models will use the N20 engine at this power level (including the F20/F21 120i and F30 320i, all of which will debut next March in Geneva). It is true BMW could instead use a higher powered version of their new longitudinal 1.6L N18B16 (as seen in the 116i and 118i) to achieve 184hp instead, yes. However, probably that would mean a little less torque at lower RPM, and perhaps not quite as efficient in heavier vehicles like an X3 and 5 series either. Quote:
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08-05-2011, 12:58 PM | #27 | |
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The 184hp version is based on the same engine but detuned intentionally to offer models at a cheaper price. For example, the base price for a Z4 20i is EUR 7k less than for the Z4 28i in Germany, and a 520i is 5k less than a 528i. Again, the 184hp variant of the N20 is irrelevant for the US at the moment. The 240hp version (28i) will be introduced across the brand, some have it already (e.g. Z4, 5-series), some will have it later (e.g. X3). Best regards, south
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08-05-2011, 01:00 PM | #29 |
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It does 0-62 mpg in 8.3 seconds (auto 8.6) and averages 7.9l/100km based on EU cycle (auto 7.5l).
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08-05-2011, 01:01 PM | #30 |
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I agree that the US will not get the 20i, but its the same N20 engine, maybe different turbos? the gas mileage would be similar (depending on how agressive you drive, so good when the wife drives it and bad when I take it!)
The US should get the 35D though, and I would imagine BMW is in the process of clearing this engine for sale in the US as it would replace the 35D in the current 3 series and X5, along with being a new 5 series engine, kind of like the 35i engine is used in so many platforms, the 35D would be the Diesel standard (and only offering) in the US, question is WHEN! and hopefully its not more than $4K price hike over the 35i (when looking at the current 35Ds it shouldn't be). |
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08-05-2011, 01:04 PM | #31 | |
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but prices change so much that at times Diesel is $0.40 cheaper and at other times its $0.25 higher... In the long run I bet it is pretty much the same as premium. |
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08-05-2011, 01:13 PM | #32 |
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Not sure the mileage would be too similar. For example, what was the E90 325i rated MPG vs. the E90 330i MPG, back in 2005/2006 when they were available here? Recall that they both used a 3.0L N52, one at 215hp, the other at 255hp.
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F10 520i: 7.0l per 100km (avg) F10 528i: 7.1l per 100km (avg) I agree that real world consumption might be a different story, though. Best regards, south
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08-05-2011, 01:27 PM | #35 | |
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Diesels make more sense in europe, as diesel is less than petrol. Oh and having to use an adapter sometimes to fill up was a huge pain in the ass. Not to mention how dirty the diesel pumps are. It is not all positives when talking about diesel. |
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08-05-2011, 01:48 PM | #36 |
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Bull...
I have been following the transition to N20 for NA closely...waiting for it before purchasing ours. And if they would release a diesel that would push 40mpg I would be very interested. But seriously getting frustrated with the way BMW does things. This would be my first BMW and it is trying with how they do business. Agree with the thought that the X3 is produced in the US, so we should have full access to whatever the heck they make. Especially if I am willing to go to SC and pick it up.
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08-05-2011, 02:13 PM | #37 |
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Good, and bad news...
They had better hurry up and bring the High Output version of the 2.0L to the US or they are just wasting time. This x-car is heavy, no reason to stuff a cork in the programming. Even Audi needs to uncork their 2.0L. |
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08-05-2011, 02:39 PM | #39 |
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Your research before buying the car should have told you that. The 35d is the only X5 currently with the old 6spd transmission while the 35 and 50's have the 8spd. The 35i is 23hwy while the 35d is 26hwy - what were you expecting?
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Until your petrol ('gas') prices start heading severely northwards then I think you'll just have to make do with the 2.8 and 3.5i's. I think I'd be quite happy with that compromise!! |
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2012 Audi Q5 will come with 313 hp diesel..
and most likely USA... Quote:
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08-05-2011, 04:16 PM | #43 |
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The N20 with the 240+ HP will be as fast or faster than the 3.0 according to everything BMW has written so far. MPG will probably go 21-22 City and 28-30 Hwy. I won't buy until we get the N20 or diesel as well. They are not going to release a 184 HP N20 in the US, they are not that stupid.
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