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The way I look at it, Winter tires are $275 for 18" run flats, the 19" all seasons that come with the M Sport package are $340 (tirerack), so there is virtually no cost in the winter tires since they are cheaper than the bigger all seasons and save tread wear on those (since they aren't on your car all winter). the only real cost is the wheels, TPMS sensors and time. |
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Wow, that some serious snow (in both locations!). I guess that's one of the main factors... how much snow places get. In Colorado Springs our winters are not what they used to be. Doesn't mean we can't get trapped in a storm. It's just there are so few times nowadays that we have to concern ourselves with it.
I know this sounds crazy, but do they make snow tires (or tyres - "ti-rees" lol) for 19" rims? I'm doubting since 19" is more of a sport/summer wheel size. I like the wheel so much, I hate the idea of driving with a higher profile, knock-off wheel for 6 months of the year for the once or twice where it might help. Sounds vain, but hey, if looks weren't part of it, we'd all be driving something different.
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10-13-2011, 10:20 AM | #28 |
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Toecutter, those are some damned nice tires. I think if it were just the tires, I would get them.
I'll probably go a winter with the all seasons and see how we fair. Next season, I'll start looking for some wheels. Speaking of that, do most people just throw their winter tires on themselves? I've always been one to do that myself, but with such a sophisticated vehicle... Other than properly torquing down the nuts, what else is there?
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I was actually thinking of getting 19" winter for the 369M wheels and then buying 20" wheels (either the 310M or saving a couple grand with tirerack wheels). I am pretty sure I am going to stick with the 19" 369M for summer and get 18" tirerack wheels with snow tires for winter, probably keep the all season on until my wife blows a tire (it will happen). Might still try to talk the dealer into swapping some performance tires for the all season for a small fee (which in BMW dealer terms is like $1,000 for the labor, ) oh and "knock off" wheels, some of them are, but I wouldn't call all those companies "knock off" wheel makers, they make some nice designs and will save you $100+/wheel compared to OEM wheels. you can always get a BMW roundel emblem and stick it on or you might even find the right center cap on ebay to change it out! BMW doesn't make wheels so even those M wheels you have are not "BMW" wheels they are all made by outside companies, so you adding the BMW Roundel is more of a cosmetic thing to make your wheels match your car looks than you trying to make people think you spent more on your wheels than you had to, |
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10-13-2011, 12:11 PM | #30 |
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Mako - unless you live in Canada or some northern Euro regions...
A bit of a generalization about Canada. You live in Chicago which gets way more snow and cold temps than some parts of Canada such as the West Coast (Vancouver, Victoria) and the southern interior of BC, such as Kelowna, where I live. I can easily get thru on performance winters, and do. Most of the big snowfalls in Canada are in areas around the Great Lakes, just like Chicago. In fact, in Vancouver, I formerly got thru many winters with no winter tires at all. Some winters, Vancouver gets no snow, and often only two or three snow "events".
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Another factor to consider is your region's average winter temperatures and relative water content of the snow. Some people may mistakenly think that the colder a place is and the more snow they get, the worse conditions must be. That is not always true.
To oversimplify things, the colder it gets, the more light, dry, and fluffy snow becomes. 0°F with 2 feet deep snow might not be a big deal if it is dry powder snow because your car simply pushes through the snow as the snow gently blows around you. In skiing we call this "blower snow." Also, the colder it gets the less slippery packed snow and ice becomes. Utah, Colorado, the upper Midwest, and northern Canada would be examples of places that often see this type of conditions. On the other hand, if you live in a place such as Washington and Oregon where winter temperatures average right around the freezing point and there is high water content in the snow, conditions can be extremely treacherous. When snow is at the freezing point a thin layer of water can form on top of it, which makes it extremely slippery. If you live in a place such as the East Coast, then you should just move. Just kidding. To demonstrate this concept for yourself, grab an ice cube out of your freezer and roll it around in your fingers. It's fairly sticky. Now dribble a little bit of water on top of the ice cube and roll it around in your fingers. Wet ice wants to squirt right out of your hand. If you live in a region where it gets extremely cold conditions are generally dry, all season rubber can be very sticky. However, if you live in a place where there are frequent freeze/thaw cycles (e.g. the Pacific Northwest), then you will benefit greatly from a dedicated snow tire. |
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good article from inside line
http://www.insideline.com/features/t...vs-summer.html comparing all three types of tires in different conditions, when I was younger I actually drove my M Roadster (240 hp one) in the winter with performance tires, and just thought the car handled like crap in snow (later found out a simple tire swap solved most of the problems). whats interesting to see is that on dry pavement you probably won't notice that big of a difference in all season tires vs summer tires, none with acceleration, biggest difference is braking (which makes sense as tires matter most for that). BUT when the ground is wet, summer tires actually perform much better than all season. basically all season tires are crap, if its over 50 F you want summer tires, if its under you want winter tires, simple! which just pisses me off more than my M Sport doesn't have a summer tire option from the factory, now what the hell do I do with these all season tires as the dealership is not cooperating with a performance tire swap. |
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You forgot the Mounties in red serge uniforms with the funny hats.
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When I was a kid I lived in Grand Forks, ND and we would commonly get Candian coins mixed in our change... and I'd pick them out and throw them away, saying "damn, I got another fake one".
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People actually live in Grand Forks, ND.....??
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