awesome guys, thanks for all your comments, I live in Quebec, and so we get lots of deep ice slush snow, freezing rain you name it. so I need the best tire for. these conditions possible, I know that Happa noks will perform, I just miss the blazing performance of the summer P zeros, understandably, ill just have to move to a warmer climate, lol.....ok great answers and you can't mix summer performance with winter, and I don't want to compromise for a winter performance up here in Quebec, maybe next time, but love my new x3m, what a vehicle......!!!!