new bmws getting stolen? - XBimmers

cooldude00 · 05-02-2012, 09:55 AM

Anyone heard about new bmws getting nicked without keys in the midlands/east london?

there's now a 24 page forum thread on pistonheads.

just wondering if the F25 is vulnerable to this as well?

Yeltzer · 05-02-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cooldude00

Anyone heard about new bmws getting nicked without keys in the midlands/east london?

there's now a 24 page forum thread on pistonheads.

just wondering if the F25 is vulnerable to this as well?

Don't know about the F25 but certainly the E90 http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670339

tuco44 · 05-02-2012, 11:17 AM

Probably soccer/football thugs, if they are not rioting, they are stealing BMWs.

plymjack · 05-02-2012, 02:23 PM

Yes all you need to steal ANY car with remote keys is a GBP 500 bit of kit which you can purchase online and which programmes "blank" keys and you can be up and running in 30 seconds.
To get access, thieves wait for you to be near the car when locking it. They jam the transponder signal with a radio jammer (another £300), so that the owner thinks that they have locked the car when they plip the key (when in reality they do not and usually do not realise) and then walk off. Thereafter, the car thief just needs to open the car door and plug in the computer to the on board computer port!!!

manutd123 · 05-02-2012, 02:30 PM

So what is this OBD protection that Cooks offer?

swamp · 05-02-2012, 02:34 PM

My X3 now sports a Disklok. It is a sad state of affairs that I have to faff about with a heavy awkward steering wheel lock on a brand new car. BMW security appears to have been compromised and the company have their head in the sand. The problem seems to be limited to the UK but I imagine it's only a matter of time before this starts happening overseas.

gaz26 · 05-02-2012, 02:36 PM

I understand the F series vehicles are less prone to such thefts

bluedevils · 05-02-2012, 03:40 PM

hmmm... a lock on the obd connector? A new cottage industry.

April1 · 05-02-2012, 05:21 PM

No matter what we do, hi tech thieves will keep on working for hi tech cars, we just need to be alert. Nothing is totally safe.

Dr Stig 2 · 05-02-2012, 09:24 PM

Makes me like the investment in comfort access even more.

I touch the door to lock my car, and watch the indicator stalk dissappear.
No transponder to block or to record signals my locking signal, and even if they do record the proximity signal (which only works for a few feet), I dont walk away if the door lock indicator stalk doesn't retract into the door.

vojak · 05-03-2012, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gaz26

I understand the F series vehicles are less prone to such thefts

Do you have a source for this info. It would be helpful to know for sure....

bluedevils · 05-03-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Stig 2

Makes me like the investment in comfort access even more.

I touch the door to lock my car, and watch the indicator stalk dissappear.
No transponder to block or to record signals my locking signal, and even if they do record the proximity signal (which only works for a few feet), I dont walk away if the door lock indicator stalk doesn't retract into the door.

I'm the same way. The remote rarely comes out of the pocket and I don't leave the car without confirmation. I'm more worried about access to the onboard computer.

clivem2 · 05-03-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Stig 2

Makes me like the investment in comfort access even more.

I touch the door to lock my car, and watch the indicator stalk dissappear.
No transponder to block or to record signals my locking signal, and even if they do record the proximity signal (which only works for a few feet), I dont walk away if the door lock indicator stalk doesn't retract into the door.

I always check my door had locked, even without comfort access.

Xero · 05-03-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by plymjack

Yes all you need to steal ANY car with remote keys is a GBP 500 bit of kit which you can purchase online and which programmes "blank" keys and you can be up and running in 30 seconds.
To get access, thieves wait for you to be near the car when locking it. They jam the transponder signal with a radio jammer (another £300), so that the owner thinks that they have locked the car when they plip the key (when in reality they do not and usually do not realise) and then walk off. Thereafter, the car thief just needs to open the car door and plug in the computer to the on board computer port!!!

if you check out the youtube link, it states that it only works with the E-series.

gaz26 · 05-03-2012, 02:07 PM

Agree dealer has told me today doesn't impact F series.

plymjack · 05-03-2012, 03:35 PM

I would guess its only a matter of time before the recoder for F-series is "made".

sfax · 05-11-2012, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plymjack

Yes all you need to steal ANY car with remote keys is a GBP 500 bit of kit which you can purchase online and which programmes "blank" keys and you can be up and running in 30 seconds.
To get access, thieves wait for you to be near the car when locking it. They jam the transponder signal with a radio jammer (another £300), so that the owner thinks that they have locked the car when they plip the key (when in reality they do not and usually do not realise) and then walk off. Thereafter, the car thief just needs to open the car door and plug in the computer to the on board computer port!!!

You should also be aware that you are more susceptible (IMO) to this if you have comfort access because thief 1 can follow you after you have locked your car, stand next to you in Tesco and then thief 2 waits by your car and relays your car's "I'm close enough to unlock" signal to thief 2. This is possible because for comfort access to work your key has to be active (it's passive without CA and you need to physically press the unlock button for the key to transmit - not so easy in Tesco when the key is in your pocket). This is potentially much harder to notice than dodgy guys standing nearby when you park and then lock *.

* I don't know exactly how it works but quite why an encryption system would be designed so that stealing the "lock" code would allow you to unlock later is completely beyond me. Stealing unlock, fair enough but that makes it harder in practice and if I designed the system I would make the unlock code expire after 30 seconds so it couldn't ever be re-used - no need to ever divulge the private encryption key either. If this is really the case, whoever designed it should be shot.

cooldude00 · 07-11-2012, 09:19 AM

looks like its more serious than initially thought - thieves are smashing the windows and accessing the OBD ports to create new keys without the alarm going off. A 1M youtube video is currently making the rounds and generating some news on the internet about this..

makes you wonder just how secure BMWs are if it's this easy to create new keys and worrying that the alarm isn't going off when windows are smashed...

BMWLVX · 07-11-2012, 10:26 AM

Just got to 6:40 of this clip to see how easy it is to do with a Apple iBook!

flash3 · 07-11-2012, 01:13 PM

I use a club

ozbmwx3 · 07-14-2012, 12:54 AM

Here a link showing the theft of one of the vehicles. It is a 1 series.

http://www.zdnet.com/hackers-steal-k...eo-7000000507/

ReturnZero · 07-14-2012, 02:02 AM

Anything can be stolen. That's what insurance is for.

I just hope if somebody steals my truck they destroy it. Drive it into the lake. Set it on fire. I don't want it back after they joyride in it.

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tuco44 Major Drives: 2012 E82 135i MSport Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 1,197 iTrader: (0)	Probably soccer/football thugs, if they are not rioting, they are stealing BMWs. __________________ 2012 135i E82 MSport DCT LeMans Blue Previous BMWs - 2011 X3 35i MSport VR (sold), 2009 M3 Sedan AW (sold), 2008 535xi MSport AW (sold), 2007 328xiT Barbera (sold), plus 11 others in the 70s & 80s.

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Dr Stig 2 Criminally Insane Drives: Like a Demon! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,458 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 BMW X3 30D M-S ... [5.00] 2010 BMW Z4 35is [5.00]	Makes me like the investment in comfort access even more. I touch the door to lock my car, and watch the indicator stalk dissappear. No transponder to block or to record signals my locking signal, and even if they do record the proximity signal (which only works for a few feet), I dont walk away if the door lock indicator stalk doesn't retract into the door. __________________ Dr Stig 2010 Z4 35is 2011 X3 30d M Sport Australia

07-11-2012, 09:19 AM	#18
cooldude00 Second Lieutenant Drives: x3 2.0d Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: uk Posts: 289 iTrader: (0)	looks like its more serious than initially thought - thieves are smashing the windows and accessing the OBD ports to create new keys without the alarm going off. A 1M youtube video is currently making the rounds and generating some news on the internet about this.. makes you wonder just how secure BMWs are if it's this easy to create new keys and worrying that the alarm isn't going off when windows are smashed... __________________ it's here!!!

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05-02-2012, 02:23 PM	#4
plymjack Second Lieutenant Drives: X3 (F25) 2.0D SE Auto Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 229 iTrader: (0)	Yes all you need to steal ANY car with remote keys is a GBP 500 bit of kit which you can purchase online and which programmes "blank" keys and you can be up and running in 30 seconds. To get access, thieves wait for you to be near the car when locking it. They jam the transponder signal with a radio jammer (another £300), so that the owner thinks that they have locked the car when they plip the key (when in reality they do not and usually do not realise) and then walk off. Thereafter, the car thief just needs to open the car door and plug in the computer to the on board computer port!!!

05-02-2012, 02:30 PM	#5
manutd123 Enlisted Member Drives: X3 2.0d SE 2012 Auto (soon) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 36 iTrader: (0)	So what is this OBD protection that Cooks offer?

05-02-2012, 02:34 PM	#6
swamp New Member Drives: X3 30d Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Posts: 20 iTrader: (0)	My X3 now sports a Disklok. It is a sad state of affairs that I have to faff about with a heavy awkward steering wheel lock on a brand new car. BMW security appears to have been compromised and the company have their head in the sand. The problem seems to be limited to the UK but I imagine it's only a matter of time before this starts happening overseas.

05-02-2012, 02:36 PM	#7
gaz26 Second Lieutenant Drives: Z4 sdrive35, X3, 1M Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: .UK Posts: 200 iTrader: (0)	I understand the F series vehicles are less prone to such thefts

05-02-2012, 03:40 PM	#8
bluedevils Private First Class Drives: 2012 X3 XDrive 35i Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NYC LI (originally Vancouver, BC) Posts: 118 iTrader: (0)	hmmm... a lock on the obd connector? A new cottage industry.

05-02-2012, 05:21 PM	#9
April1 Love All Drives: X3 28i 2011 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: San Francisco Posts: 735 iTrader: (1)	No matter what we do, hi tech thieves will keep on working for hi tech cars, we just need to be alert. Nothing is totally safe.

05-03-2012, 02:07 PM	#15
gaz26 Second Lieutenant Drives: Z4 sdrive35, X3, 1M Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: .UK Posts: 200 iTrader: (0)	Agree dealer has told me today doesn't impact F series.

05-03-2012, 03:35 PM	#16
plymjack Second Lieutenant Drives: X3 (F25) 2.0D SE Auto Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 229 iTrader: (0)	I would guess its only a matter of time before the recoder for F-series is "made".

07-11-2012, 10:26 AM	#19
BMWLVX Private Drives: X3 2.0d Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 77 iTrader: (0)	Just got to 6:40 of this clip to see how easy it is to do with a Apple iBook!

07-11-2012, 01:13 PM	#20
flash3 Captain Drives: X3 28i Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NC Posts: 649 iTrader: (0)	I use a club

07-14-2012, 12:54 AM	#21
ozbmwx3 Enlisted Member Drives: bmw x3 Join Date: May 2012 Location: perth Posts: 35 iTrader: (0)	Here a link showing the theft of one of the vehicles. It is a 1 series. http://www.zdnet.com/hackers-steal-k...eo-7000000507/

07-14-2012, 02:02 AM	#22
ReturnZero Second Lieutenant Drives: 2013 X3 35i M-Sport Join Date: May 2012 Location: Chandler, Arizona Posts: 248 iTrader: (1)	Anything can be stolen. That's what insurance is for. I just hope if somebody steals my truck they destroy it. Drive it into the lake. Set it on fire. I don't want it back after they joyride in it.