Who's holding out for the i4 turbo? - XBimmers

Sabian · 04-14-2011, 10:36 PM

With the switch over schedule I just read for the 28i to go I4 turbo this fall, who's holding out on getting an X3 till then? BTW is that switch over official or just speculation?

Just curious as I am now on the fence as to either wait for the I4 or just go ahead with the 35i now, but after reading about the N20 engine I'd really like to get an X3 that can get 30 mpg or better but maybe I'm just dreaming...

Beyu · 04-14-2011, 11:05 PM

Full story in another thread.

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=516491

Here is the I4 switchover and end of production schedule:
E89 Z4 sDrive30i to switch to TwinPower I4 in September 2011
F10/F11 528i to switch to TwinPower I4 in September 2011
F25 X3 xDrive28i to switch to TwinPower I4 in 4th Quarter 2011
E81/E87 1 series to end production by August 2011 (new 1-series hatchback launched after Geneva - will herald complete petrol turbo-charged engine line up)
E82/E88 1 series to end production in 1st Quarter 2012
E90/E91 3 series and M3 to end production late 2011 or early 2012
E92/E93 3 series and M3 to end production sometime in 4th Quarter 2012

raleedy · 04-15-2011, 12:07 AM

With luck, maybe there'll be a diesel for the US.

inamik75 · 04-15-2011, 02:27 AM

I am, almost same power as the 35i, less consuption nad cheaper=win win!

Mako · 04-15-2011, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by inamik75

I am, almost same power as the 35i, less consuption nad cheaper=win win!

I would say 245 hp and 300 hp are almost the same. And it's a 4 vs 6.

Harplayr · 04-15-2011, 08:07 AM

For myself I just placed my order for a 2,8i and don’t regret waiting.
The current engine in the 2.8i has been around for a long time now and is a great engine.
While the new 4 sounds great and a win-win, it is as yet unproven for reliability.

I have already broken my “don’t buy a first year model” rule, but seeing that so many of the major components on the F25 have tried and true components and to-date there are so few reports of defects I decided to gamble.

I’m most likely being overly cautious, but with a new engine platform I’d like to see a year or two of results before feeling comfortable ordering it.

BXM3W · 04-15-2011, 08:14 AM

Although nothing is official I'm currently holding off for the 2012 model year and hoping the N20 will be an option. It sounds like next week BMW will preview the first US model(s) to have the N20. Speculation is the Z4 will be first. At least it will give us another data point to see how they are progressing in their switchover plans. It would be great if they had any news on the X3 but I'm not holding my breath on that.

tuco44 · 04-15-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by inamik75

I am, almost same power as the 35i, less consuption nad cheaper=win win!

Not so. Power is close to 28i, not 35i.

Lucky13 · 04-15-2011, 09:24 AM

2012 X3 will have the N20 and the 3.0 will be history. More horsepower 241-245 verses 230 and much more torque and 16% improvement in gas milage. The gas milage would equate to 22 city and 29 highway if you use the X3 3.0 as the basis. It's supposed to be a little faster to 60 as well because more usable power from 1500-5000 rpm's and the obvious benefit of direct injection. If the X1 doesn't arrive late this fall I may switch my choice to X3 with N20.

inamik75 · 04-15-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucky13

2012 X3 will have the N20 and the 3.0 will be history. More horsepower 241-245 verses 230 and much more torque and 16% improvement in gas milage. The gas milage would equate to 22 city and 29 highway if you use the X3 3.0 as the basis. It's supposed to be a little faster to 60 as well because more usable power from 1500-5000 rpm's and the obvious benefit of direct injection. If the X1 doesn't arrive late this fall I may switch my choice to X3 with N20.

This is what I meant by more power difference O-60 with the 35i is below 1sec

1erich · 04-15-2011, 10:58 AM

I'm sure it won't be long before BMW turbos prove reliable but based on issues I've had with my N54 I'm planning to get a X3 28i before the switch to the N20. With the winters we have here, I don't want any added risk of my wife and kid (soon to be kids!) being stranded somewhere because of a fuel pump failure. Too bad really, the engine sounds like it'll be a treat!

Want the thrill · 04-15-2011, 11:35 AM

Are the HPFP issues still happening even with their latest fix?

LEDZEP · 04-15-2011, 12:04 PM

Hmmm.... that's a lot of weight to push around with a 4... doable for sure, but I love the N54/N55's. They are amazing workhorses. I'll go with the 35i and not look back. You shouldn't have to feel the turbo kick in every time there is an incline in the highway.

Beyu · 04-15-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Want the thrill

Are the HPFP issues still happening even with their latest fix?

Not sure what the latest fix is, do you mean the change from the N54 to N55 engine? I haven't heard anyone complain about their X3 dying yet but I know some 1 series owners are saying that the pump on their N55 are failing. I'm sure BMW will get it fixed one of these days but in the mean time they've extended the warranty for the HPFP to 10 years or 120k miles.

Want the thrill · 04-15-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beyu

Not sure what the latest fix is, do you mean the change from the N54 to N55 engine? I haven't heard anyone complain about their X3 dying yet but I know some 1 series owners are saying that the pump on their N55 are failing. I'm sure BMW will get it fixed one of these days but in the mean time they've extended the warranty for the HPFP to 10 years or 120k miles.

Is the HPFP usually the only thing that goes wrong with the turbo's, or are there other issues I should be concerned about? I'm satisfied with the long warranty and mileage coverage on the HPFP thats why I'm still ordering the 35i. Anything else I need to look out for?

Beyu · 04-16-2011, 01:45 AM

The HPFP is the only issue I've heard about for the N55 engine in the 35i. The N55 uses the same inline 6 as the 28i and that engine's solid. The twinscrolled turbocharger is still much too new for anyone to know if there's a problem.

midlifecrisis · 04-16-2011, 05:37 AM

I ordered this year because I prefer the NA straight six to a turbo 4. As far as I'm concerned the six has the ideal combination of power, smoothness, and efficiency. I know my next car will probably be a four, but I wanted one more chance to have one of these wonderful motors. It's hard to imagine the BMW brand without an inline six cylinder engine as the workhorse of the fleet. They might as well replace the Roundel with another logo.

raleedy · 04-16-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

I ordered this year because I prefer the NA straight six to a turbo 4. As far as I'm concerned the six has the ideal combination of power, smoothness, and efficiency. I know my next car will probably be a four, but I wanted one more chance to have one of these wonderful motors. It's hard to imagine the BMW brand without an inline six cylinder engine as the workhorse of the fleet. They might as well replace the Roundel with another logo.

The good news is, there are now many other brands you can consider as being on a par with BMW. With the in-line six, that wasn't the case.

04-14-2011, 10:36 PM	#1
Sabian Second Lieutenant Drives: X3 35i Mineral Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Woodinville, Wa Posts: 236 iTrader: (0)	Who's holding out for the i4 turbo? With the switch over schedule I just read for the 28i to go I4 turbo this fall, who's holding out on getting an X3 till then? BTW is that switch over official or just speculation? Just curious as I am now on the fence as to either wait for the I4 or just go ahead with the 35i now, but after reading about the N20 engine I'd really like to get an X3 that can get 30 mpg or better but maybe I'm just dreaming...
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04-15-2011, 12:04 PM	#13
LEDZEP Lieutenant General Drives: 2009 E70 & 2011 F25 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Area 51 Posts: 12,277 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 X3 35i M Sport [3.81] 2009 X5 M Sport [0.00] 2007 328xi E90 [0.00] 2006 325xiT E91 [0.00]	Hmmm.... that's a lot of weight to push around with a 4... doable for sure, but I love the N54/N55's. They are amazing workhorses. I'll go with the 35i and not look back. You shouldn't have to feel the turbo kick in every time there is an incline in the highway. __________________ I think it is bad luck to be superstitious

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midlifecrisis Lieutenant Drives: 2008 E90 M3 - IB/ExBB Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 555 iTrader: (0)	I ordered this year because I prefer the NA straight six to a turbo 4. As far as I'm concerned the six has the ideal combination of power, smoothness, and efficiency. I know my next car will probably be a four, but I wanted one more chance to have one of these wonderful motors. It's hard to imagine the BMW brand without an inline six cylinder engine as the workhorse of the fleet. They might as well replace the Roundel with another logo. __________________ 2008 E90 M3 - Dinan Stage 3 and BBS CH's 2000 328i sedan (UUC suspension - still the favorite) 2012 Mini Cooper (wife's) 1991 325iX (sold - gone but not forgotten!) 2011 X3 (Performance Center delivery done May '11)

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04-14-2011, 11:05 PM	#2
Beyu Lieutenant Drives: 135i Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WA Posts: 579 iTrader: (0)	Full story in another thread. http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=516491 Here is the I4 switchover and end of production schedule: E89 Z4 sDrive30i to switch to TwinPower I4 in September 2011 F10/F11 528i to switch to TwinPower I4 in September 2011 F25 X3 xDrive28i to switch to TwinPower I4 in 4th Quarter 2011 E81/E87 1 series to end production by August 2011 (new 1-series hatchback launched after Geneva - will herald complete petrol turbo-charged engine line up) E82/E88 1 series to end production in 1st Quarter 2012 E90/E91 3 series and M3 to end production late 2011 or early 2012 E92/E93 3 series and M3 to end production sometime in 4th Quarter 2012

04-15-2011, 12:07 AM	#3
raleedy Major Drives: E92 328i MY 2008 (ED 11/14/07) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,439 iTrader: (0)	With luck, maybe there'll be a diesel for the US.

04-15-2011, 02:27 AM	#4
inamik75 Captain Drives: E60 5 series Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nairobi Posts: 700 iTrader: (0)	I am, almost same power as the 35i, less consuption nad cheaper=win win!

04-15-2011, 08:07 AM	#6
Harplayr Lieutenant Drives: 2011 BMW X3 28i, F25 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 424 iTrader: (0)	For myself I just placed my order for a 2,8i and don’t regret waiting. The current engine in the 2.8i has been around for a long time now and is a great engine. While the new 4 sounds great and a win-win, it is as yet unproven for reliability. I have already broken my “don’t buy a first year model” rule, but seeing that so many of the major components on the F25 have tried and true components and to-date there are so few reports of defects I decided to gamble. I’m most likely being overly cautious, but with a new engine platform I’d like to see a year or two of results before feeling comfortable ordering it.

04-15-2011, 08:14 AM	#7
BXM3W Private Drives: 1999 RX Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: MA, US Posts: 98 iTrader: (0)	Although nothing is official I'm currently holding off for the 2012 model year and hoping the N20 will be an option. It sounds like next week BMW will preview the first US model(s) to have the N20. Speculation is the Z4 will be first. At least it will give us another data point to see how they are progressing in their switchover plans. It would be great if they had any news on the X3 but I'm not holding my breath on that.

04-15-2011, 09:24 AM	#9
Lucky13 Lucky13 Drives: E93 335i Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbia, S.C. Posts: 576 iTrader: (0)	2012 X3 will have the N20 and the 3.0 will be history. More horsepower 241-245 verses 230 and much more torque and 16% improvement in gas milage. The gas milage would equate to 22 city and 29 highway if you use the X3 3.0 as the basis. It's supposed to be a little faster to 60 as well because more usable power from 1500-5000 rpm's and the obvious benefit of direct injection. If the X1 doesn't arrive late this fall I may switch my choice to X3 with N20.

04-15-2011, 10:58 AM	#11
1erich Second Lieutenant Drives: 09 135i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Calgary Posts: 245 iTrader: (0)	I'm sure it won't be long before BMW turbos prove reliable but based on issues I've had with my N54 I'm planning to get a X3 28i before the switch to the N20. With the winters we have here, I don't want any added risk of my wife and kid (soon to be kids!) being stranded somewhere because of a fuel pump failure. Too bad really, the engine sounds like it'll be a treat!

04-15-2011, 11:35 AM	#12
Want the thrill Major Drives: X3 35i Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: MI Posts: 1,040 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 X3 35i [3.88]	Are the HPFP issues still happening even with their latest fix?

04-16-2011, 01:45 AM	#16
Beyu Lieutenant Drives: 135i Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WA Posts: 579 iTrader: (0)	The HPFP is the only issue I've heard about for the N55 engine in the 35i. The N55 uses the same inline 6 as the 28i and that engine's solid. The twinscrolled turbocharger is still much too new for anyone to know if there's a problem.