[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Macan all day everyday. The X4 is awful. I would even take a SQ5 over the X4. When it comes to the Cayenne vs X5, I actually prefer the X5. Although the X5 vs Cayenne, that is a much closer battle. In the case of the Macan. It is a walk away winner, by a mile.

Originally Posted by DeeKay

But for the love of god BMW - Give the X-Line for reviews - looks WAY better! With the X-Line the looks actually is a win for X4

still not half a nice as a macan and the macan interior quality/fit/finish kill bmw.

[ron_jeremy]

I'm not sure If this comparison are the right one.
I mean, i parked next to a macan the other day with my POS X1 (Yeah, i don't like it that much)
It's not that much bigger, and not higher than the E84.
So allthough the X4 are somewhat lower than the twin F25, it's still the larger and higher car.
I don't like the interiour in either car, but the presence of the X4 is nice.
The Macan is just another VAG, build upon the Q5.

[eldo33]

Originally Posted by DeeKay

But for the love of god BMW - Give the X-Line for reviews - looks WAY better! With the X-Line the looks actually is a win for X4

Hell ya.... AGREED. not seeing many Xline reviews. Put the 310M wheels on the X-Line and damn it looked much better.


$3000 for panorama roof in Macan? The options on the Porsche is the killer...way out of the league compareing with X4 price. And the X4 is already expensive around $60k with lots of options.

the million buttons in center console isn't very attractive either Macan.

[phrozen06]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

this guy must be smoking so much crack

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

LOL just get a Panamera?

Panamera costs tooo much. LOL.

[xDrive35i]

Originally Posted by ron_jeremy

The Macan is just another VAG, build upon the Q5.

The Macan only shares about 30% of its parts with the Q5. Even the AWD system is different. Effectively every bit of switchgear and mechanicals are pure Porsche.

[jlstyle]

Originally Posted by WillInDenver

First, I agree that the Macan is the better car. I'm saying that Porsches are always more expensive than people expect them to be and they don't lease well. To get into a Macan, you'll pay more than you expect. To get into an X4, less than you expect. That may sway a few opinions. Porsche will still sell more Macans than BMW will X4s.

Nah. I just went out and built a Macan; I was only slightly careless with option choices - I still left a lot of stuff unchecked. I ended up with nearly $30,000 in options alone. I'm telling you, Porsches are awesome but base price is only the beginning. Dealers will probably strip spec them in the mid 60s, which will leave a lot of options on the table but they won't have any trouble selling them.

That's kind of crazy... All you need with Macan is a Infotainment/PASM. Maybe AS and Chrono if you have money. Everything else is a customization just like BMW individual that breaks your pocket anyways. BMW is more appealing in $$$, because BMW gives out crazy lease deal and deep discounts.

[Bimar]

finally got to sit in an X4 and Macan, I was so surprised being 6'3" my head didnt touch the roof in the X4, however the Macan with the sunroof option I was touching ,i was like what???

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by jlstyle

That's kind of crazy... All you need with Macan is a Infotainment/PASM. Maybe AS and Chrono if you have money. Everything else is a customization just like BMW individual that breaks your pocket anyways. BMW is more appealing in $$$, because BMW gives out crazy lease deal and deep discounts.

My point exactly. To get a Macan at a sane price, you have to have a hard conversation with yourself about what you can live without. And you can still get an X4 nicely equipped for less than that.

This has always been the BMW-Porsche conundrum, Porsches are usually that much cooler but oh boy are they expensive.

I do still think the Macan will be way more successful for Porsche than the X4 will be for BMW.

[x5love]

Originally Posted by Chopper45

Having just bought an X4, here is my take on it....

1 - Macan is quite a bit more expensive with similar spec at least in Europe when you actually go to deal.
2 - X4 MSport in the correct color is more appealing (Ok beauty is in the eye bla..bla..)
3 - X4 interior cleaner & nicer
4 - X4 vs Macan driving not a huge difference, Ok Macan supposedly better but... not by enough to change my mind.
3 - Don't want to drive a Porsche really because of the badge (Small town)
4 - SQ5 is dated but would be my second choice and will probably change to the new one when it comes in 2 yrs...

this is the least objective review i've seen in a long time.

but congrats on the new car! enjoy the ride.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by WillInDenver

My point exactly. To get a Macan at a sane price, you have to have a hard conversation with yourself about what you can live without. And you can still get an X4 nicely equipped for less than that.

This has always been the BMW-Porsche conundrum, Porsches are usually that much cooler but oh boy are they expensive.

I do still think the Macan will be way more successful for Porsche than the X4 will be for BMW.

No you don't.

Well equiped M-sport X4 35i vs Macan S w/ sport chrono. Options including: navi, heated seats, park assist, parking sensors, leather, m-sport/sport chrono, Sat radio, 19in wheels, 8-way power seats, metallic paint, etc...

Near identical builds: X4 - $58,450 and Macan S - $60,195

Macan S is only $1,745 more.
(the way I would spec the two)

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by WillInDenver

I do still think the Macan will be way more successful for Porsche than the X4 will be for BMW.

Add the fact that it's competitively priced and there is no other option in Porsche's lineup, the Macan should outsell the X4. Interested to see the sales after a month both have been on sale.

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Macan S is only $1,745 more.
(the way I would spec the two)

I noticed you added that last part in. And there's the rub - you _can_ option a Macan to be priced equivalently to the X4, but for the Macan:

• $690 for Metallic Paint
• $3470 for the least expensive leather interior option
• $2990 for the "Infotainment" system
• $2590 for the "Premium" package, which the seat heaters, garage door openers, and similar stuff

With a $49,900 base, that's already $59,460. And I haven't gotten around to active suspension management, the Bose stereo, bluetooth, and satellite radio - all things that are probably in that X4 price. To say nothing of the killer high performance stuff Porsche offers, like advanced torque vectoring and $8000 brakes.

So, "yes I do!" We can spec a Porsche we would be willing to drive at the same price point as an X4, but we really can't equip one equally without spending quite a bit more.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by WillInDenver

I noticed you added that last part in. And there's the rub - you _can_ option a Macan to be priced equivalently to the X4, but for the Macan:

• $690 for Metallic Paint
• $3470 for the least expensive leather interior option
• $2990 for the "Infotainment" system
• $2590 for the "Premium" package, which the seat heaters, garage door openers, and similar stuff

With a $49,900 base, that's already $59,460. And I haven't gotten around to active suspension management, the Bose stereo, bluetooth, and satellite radio - all things that are probably in that X4 price. To say nothing of the killer high performance stuff Porsche offers, like advanced torque vectoring and $8000 brakes.

So, "yes I do!" We can spec a Porsche we would be willing to drive at the same price point as an X4, but we really can't equip one equally without spending quite a bit more.

Partial leather is like the leather in X4. The full leather options are not comparable to anything you can get in the X4. Full leather in Macan adds leather on lower dash, tops of doors, etc.

Infotainment and premium pacakge were included in my build. It is an almost exact like for like equipment and well optioned.

-Yup, you have to pay for metallic paint. Just like any BMW.
-Bose cost extra, just like Harman Kardon cost extra in the X4.
-Bluetooth is standard on the Macan S.
-Sat radio is included in infotainment package on the Macan S.
-Dynamic Damper Control cost extra as well on the X4.


Your analysis of $30k more is such a gross overestimate. There are things on the Macan you can't even get on the X4, sure cost can rise. Yes like adding $8,000 brakes. But built equally, the difference is only really a few thousand.

I can do a break down of the exact options on both vehicles to show your are wrong. But honestly don't want to spent the time doing that or most likely will fall on deaf hears.

[omegaSMP300]

These guys were great. Great vid! I think both look great. I will probably go with the Macan when the time comes.

[WilliCO]

Friend, I'm not trying to be combative, just laying out the data. Porsches get expensive really fast with the options. I agree, this debate should be over, but real quick:

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Partial leather is like the leather in X4. The full leather options are not comparable to anything you can get in the X4. Full leather in Macan adds leather on lower dash, tops of doors, etc.

I think that $3470 just makes it so that everything you're sitting on is leather. The "Interior Leather" option group on the Porsche adds it on the dash, doors, and just about anywehre else you want it. That stuff does indeed cost more yet, and is not available on an X4, but I wasn't using it in my comparison.

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Infotainment and premium pacakge were included in my build. It is an almost exact like for like equipment and well optioned.

-Yup, you have to pay for metallic paint. Just like any BMW.
-Bose cost extra, just like Harman Kardon cost extra in the X4.
-Bluetooth is standard on the Macan S.
-Sat radio is included in infotainment package on the Macan S.
-Dynamic Damper Control cost extra as well on the X4.

I might not have made my point clearly. I'm sure you did include that stuff in your build. But if you did, you must have left something out of it that would be found in an X4 at the price you listed - because I got all the way to that price without including several things that the X4 has. Active suspension management and the Bose stereo together are $2760, for example. Also, if I'm right about the leather option above (and I am), there's another $4K, almost.

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Your analysis of $30k more is such a gross overestimate. There are things on the Macan you can't even get on the X4, sure cost can rise.

It really isn't. I wasn't suggesting that everyone will order their Macan that way, but it would be scary easy to do it. It might be a little more equipment than an X4 has, but I left out a lot of stuff (including the $8000 brakes) to keep it realistic.

Let's move on.

EDIT: I found the breakdown of Partial vs. Full Leather on the Macan. Looks like you do get the dashboard top with partial leather (can't get that on the X4, like you said), but you have to get Full Leather for the whole headrest, which you'd always get on the BMW. Who knows how this ultimately compares with an X4, pretty complex:

Partial Leather package:
- Steering wheel rim
- Gear selector and boot
- Seat centers and inner seat bolsters
- Front side of headrests
- Dashboard top
- Center console storage compartment lid
- Door armrests/handles (front and rear)

Full Leather Package
- Steering wheel rim and airbag module
- Gear selector and boot
- Seat centers, inner and outer bolsters
- Front seat backrest surrounds
- Headrests (front and rear)
- Dashboard upper section
- Dashboard lower section incl. glove compartment
- Center console storage compartment lid, side surround and rear
- Door armrests/handles (front and rear)
- Upper and lower door panels (front and rear)

[Matski]

I honestly can't get my head around the M-sport X4 front bumper, it's vile. Honestly, I'll defend pretty much everything BMW do, but an M-sport X4 goes down as not only one of the ugliest BMW's of all time, but one of the ugliest cars, period.

The X-line really is sooo much better.. even the SE would be preferable.

If/when the X4 M40 comes, they better give it it's own body kit treatment.

[ska///235i]

X4 wins




The ugly segment

[Enilder]

I hated X6...same thing applies to X4. I just don't like the design...

[akhter]

I was quoted 18 months in HK for the macan s. that was probably an exaggeration as I am seeing the cars on the street now. in the end went for a f10 lci which i am very happy with (althought its a very common car here).

when i saw the macan in person, all i recall thinking was that the car is low and small--more like x1 than x3/4 in terms of exterior dimensions. but if that means it has better packaging i.e. same interior space as x4 than great but it seems impossible based on the diminutive size...

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by WillInDenver

I think that $3470 just makes it so that everything you're sitting on is leather. The "Interior Leather" option group on the Porsche adds it on the dash, doors, and just about anywehre else you want it. That stuff does indeed cost more yet, and is not available on an X4, but I wasn't using it in my comparison.

I might not have made my point clearly. I'm sure you did include that stuff in your build. But if you did, you must have left something out of it that would be found in an X4 at the price you listed - because I got all the way to that price without including several things that the X4 has. Active suspension management and the Bose stereo together are $2760, for example. Also, if I'm right about the leather option above (and I am), there's another $4K, almost.

I have been shopping this segment because my wife is looking for a replacement for her X5 and wants something smaller. I have seen Macan's with partial and full leather. The X4 leather is closer to what partial leather is for the Macan S. Full leather is closer to what is available on the M3/M4.

Yes Bose and PSM cost another $2760. Harman Kardon and Dynamic Damper is another $1,850 on the X4.

X4 35i

-m sport
-metallic paint
-prem pack
-tech pack
-driver assist pack
-heated seats
-parking assist
-dynamci damper
-harman kardon

$60,325

Macan S

-metallic paint
-partial leather (two tone black/red leather)
-infotainment pack
-prem pack
-park assist
-psm
-sport chrono
-bose

$62,995

Difference of $2,670 (far from $30k) Builds are nearly identical and heavily optioned.


I just don't understand the argument, that when you cross shop a Macan that you have to tack on a bunch of pricey options that are not available on the X4. I have been looking at everything from an Evoque, X4, X3, SQ5, and Macan S. I have become well-versed in this segment.

I do agree on the point about leases. Porsche leases are terrible. But I always purchase my cars.

[Bimar]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

I have been shopping this segment because my wife is looking for a replacement for her X5 and wants something smaller. I have seen Macan's with partial and full leather. The X4 leather is closer to what partial leather is for the Macan S. Full leather is closer to what is available on the M3/M4.

Yes Bose and PSM cost another $2760. Harman Kardon and Dynamic Damper is another $1,850 on the X4.

X4 35i

-m sport
-metallic paint
-prem pack
-tech pack
-driver assist pack
-heated seats
-parking assist
-dynamci damper
-harman kardon

$60,325

Macan S

-metallic paint
-partial leather (two tone black/red leather)
-infotainment pack
-prem pack
-park assist
-psm
-sport chrono
-bose

$62,995

Difference of $2,670 (far from $30k) Builds are nearly identical and heavily optioned.


I just don't understand the argument, that when you cross shop a Macan that you have to tack on a bunch of pricey options that are not available on the X4. I have been looking at everything from an Evoque, X4, X3, SQ5, and Macan S. I have become well-versed in this segment.

I do agree on the point about leases. Porsche leases are terrible. But I always purchase my cars.

Have you factored the bmw maintenance plan that's not available on the porsche, at least in the USA?

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

Because the Macan is a better, more desireable car. There's already a 1 yr wait list...something I dont think any BMW has ever had.

Because BMW has the power and resources to deliver cars in time.
Currently, Porsche’s plant in Leipzig, Germany is set up to build 50,000 Macans a year.

And from my point of view, BMW looks way better with a clean sporty design and interior which is not kitschy like the one in Macan. Exterior wise, Porsche plays the same design tune for 100 years now, Really boring...