Folding mirrors = closed sunroof shade

X5plug-in · 10-11-2011, 06:54 AM

When the key fob is used to fold the mirrors, simultaneously the sunshade for the roof closes around 35%. This means if you fold the mirrors three times a day (as I have to parking in a narrow spot) the sunshade is annoyingly closed and has to be reopened at least daily. It is like a cross between Groundhog day and Wall-E ("Caution! Rogue robots)! My stealer says there is no way around this. Anyone know a way round this? Surely there must be a software option to untoggle somewhere?

Dukat · 10-11-2011, 07:27 AM

How do you fold the mirrors with the FOB?

LEDZEP · 10-11-2011, 07:36 AM

Why not fold the mirrors using the interior control instead of the fob? This should be a separate logic path and not interfere with the shade.

02420X3 · 10-11-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dukat

How do you fold the mirrors with the FOB?

How? Buy an X3 in the UK.

Sadly, it doesn't work in the US. In the UK, if you hold down the BMW logo on your key fob the mirrors fold. I don't know why the difference. Narrower streets? Different lawyers?

Try closing the rear hatch with your key fob. It doesn't work either. The "usual" airport security guy knows to push the button on the hatch after he inspects my rear cargo area.

X5plug-in · 10-11-2011, 08:51 AM

Hi Ledzep. The mirrors unfold on opening the door so can only be left folded via the fob. Clearly a software design issue. Yes, you want the roof to close by fob for security but not the shade. Ah for a software update (something Windows-related maybe?)

X5plug-in · 10-11-2011, 09:26 AM

Re my last. You got me thinking. If you fold the mirrors then power down the car before you step out they do stay folded. This does not give you the Mercedes visual check that the doors are locked via folded mirrors but it does keep the sun shade open.

tuco44 · 10-11-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

Why not fold the mirrors using the interior control instead of the fob? This should be a separate logic path and not interfere with the shade.

+1

sfax · 10-11-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by X3buyerScotland

When the key fob is used to fold the mirrors, simultaneously the sunshade for the roof closes around 35%. This means if you fold the mirrors three times a day (as I have to parking in a narrow spot) the sunshade is annoyingly closed and has to be reopened at least daily. It is like a cross between Groundhog day and Wall-E ("Caution! Rogue robots)! My stealer says there is no way around this. Anyone know a way round this? Surely there must be a software option to untoggle somewhere?

Is at as much as 35%? I don't think mine closes that much. I'll check later!

LEDZEP · 10-11-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 02420X3

How? Buy an X3 in the UK.

Sadly, it doesn't work in the US. In the UK, if you hold down the BMW logo on your key fob the mirrors fold. I don't know why the difference. Narrower streets? Different lawyers?

Try closing the rear hatch with your key fob. It doesn't work either. The "usual" airport security guy knows to push the button on the hatch after he inspects my rear cargo area.

I can't recall if I have tried it with the X3, but in my previous BMW's, if you press and hold the "lock" button for several seconds, it will fold in the mirrors - even on U.S. models.

sfax · 10-11-2011, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

I can't recall if I have tried it with the X3, but in my previous BMW's, if you press and hold the "lock" button for several seconds, it will fold in the mirrors - even on U.S. models.

you haven't tried it because it definitely doesn't work on US model X3s. There was another thread on this and a few US owners all said it didn't work

X5plug-in · 10-11-2011, 11:12 AM

And the above wisdom appears right in that the folding the mirrors appear to be on a different circuit if locked by internal button or the fob. The internal button seems to have priority, as you can unlock the car and open doors and boot IF the mirrors were folded by the internal button. Use the fob to fold and as soon as you unlock the pop out. Learn something every day!

sfax · 10-11-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by X3buyerScotland

And the above wisdom appears right in that the folding the mirrors appear to be on a different circuit if locked by internal button or the fob. The internal button seems to have priority, as you can unlock the car and open doors and boot IF the mirrors were folded by the internal button. Use the fob to fold and as soon as you unlock the pop out. Learn something every day!

I think the design logic is that if you fold from the interior switch, you have to re-open from the interior. If you fold by locking, they re-open when you unlock

LEDZEP · 10-11-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sfax

you haven't tried it because it definitely doesn't work on US model X3s. There was another thread on this and a few US owners all said it didn't work

I'm sure I haven't. I may also be confusing functions. I might be thinking of the "insert key and move to lock position and hold" process. In the U.S. when you do that it will: Close the sunroof; close any open windows; fold in the mirrors. The reason we can't do it remotely via the fob is because in the U.S. we are too stupid and helpless to avoid decapitating our children with the windows. No shit... that's why.

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Originally Posted by sfax

I think the design logic is that if you fold from the interior switch, you have to re-open from the interior. If you fold by locking, they re-open when you unlock

That is precisely correct.

sfax · 10-11-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LEDZEP

I'm sure I haven't. I may also be confusing functions. I might be thinking of the "insert key and move to lock position and hold" process. In the U.S. when you do that it will: Close the sunroof; close any open windows; fold in the mirrors. The reason we can't do it remotely via the fob is because in the U.S. we are too stupid and helpless to avoid decapitating our children with the windows. No shit... that's why.

In that case it's only a matter of time before we follow suit in the UK. Look no further than McDonald's, shopping malls and litigation

X5plug-in · 10-11-2011, 12:28 PM

I almost became trapped by a folding mirror once. Or was it an axe murderer? I forget. Anyway, maybe you can trick you car into thinking it is in the UK? Try only using your cupholders for tea, and if some mentions a crèche pretend to think it is a motor vehicle accident in Kensington. Do not use Tippex / Snowpake on the gps tho as that won't fool a German designed car.

LEDZEP · 10-11-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sfax

In that case it's only a matter of time before we follow suit in the UK. Look no further than McDonald's, shopping malls and litigation

It is the latter of those, I'm afraid, that has created such silly laws in the U.S. We have a culture where no individual is responsible in any way for any of their actions or inactions. Hence, everything must be constructed of foam and covered with warning labels.

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Originally Posted by X3buyerScotland

I almost became trapped by a folding mirror once. Or was it an axe murderer? I forget. Anyway, maybe you can trick you car into thinking it is in the UK? Try only using your cupholders for tea, and if some mentions a crèche pretend to think it is a motor vehicle accident in Kensington. Do not use Tippex / Snowpake on the gps tho as that won't fool a German designed car.

I've been playing Monty Python videos via the iPhone dock, and that seems to have helped. Also been driving wearing fingerless gloves and practicing my old Oliver Twist lines...

Bustofa · 10-11-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sfax

I think the design logic is that if you fold from the interior switch, you have to re-open from the interior. If you fold by locking, they re-open when you unlock

I think this all makes perfect sense; if you use the internal switch then, while it won't always be the case, for safety the car should assume that you may have folded because you are moving the car into a confined space. In such a case it would not be safe to unfold until specifically directed by the driver through the switch. On the other hand, if the remote is used, then it should be safe to assume that this was done from outside of the car and that space is not an issue; safe therefore to unfold automatically when the unlock switch is pressed.
Yes?

X5plug-in · 10-11-2011, 03:21 PM

Makes sense. But the sunroof shade closes by fob when folding the mirrors because .....?

Bustofa · 10-11-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by X3buyerScotland

Makes sense. But the sunroof shade closes by fob when folding the mirrors because .....?

Beats me.

sfax · 10-11-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bustofa

I think this all makes perfect sense; if you use the internal switch then, while it won't always be the case, for safety the car should assume that you may have folded because you are moving the car into a confined space. In such a case it would not be safe to unfold until specifically directed by the driver through the switch. On the other hand, if the remote is used, then it should be safe to assume that this was done from outside of the car and that space is not an issue; safe therefore to unfold automatically when the unlock switch is pressed.
Yes?

When I read this explanation, in my mind you had a German accent

Yes, I'm happy with the way it works.

sfax · 10-11-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by X3buyerScotland

When the key fob is used to fold the mirrors, simultaneously the sunshade for the roof closes around 35%. This means if you fold the mirrors three times a day (as I have to parking in a narrow spot) the sunshade is annoyingly closed and has to be reopened at least daily. It is like a cross between Groundhog day and Wall-E ("Caution! Rogue robots)! My stealer says there is no way around this. Anyone know a way round this? Surely there must be a software option to untoggle somewhere?

Mine doesn't close at all if I release the lock button on the key fob as soon as the mirrors start to close. Just tried it twice and the sun blind is still fully open (despite mirrors folding and opening twice).

sfax · 10-11-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sfax

Mine doesn't close at all if I release the lock button on the key fob as soon as the mirrors start to close. Just tried it twice and the sun blind is still fully open (despite mirrors folding and opening twice).

I should add that if I keep holding the button down after the mirrors start to close it will start to close the sun blind but I rarely do so that's why I hadn't noticed. I guess if the sunroof is open you have to hold the key fob lock button for longer to close the sunroof fully which will close the blind more

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X5plug-in Lieutenant 73 Rep 532 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Hi Ledzep. The mirrors unfold on opening the door so can only be left folded via the fob. Clearly a software design issue. Yes, you want the roof to close by fob for security but not the shade. Ah for a software update (something Windows-related maybe?)
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X5plug-in Lieutenant 73 Rep 532 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Re my last. You got me thinking. If you fold the mirrors then power down the car before you step out they do stay folded. This does not give you the Mercedes visual check that the doors are locked via folded mirrors but it does keep the sun shade open.
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X5plug-in Lieutenant 73 Rep 532 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	And the above wisdom appears right in that the folding the mirrors appear to be on a different circuit if locked by internal button or the fob. The internal button seems to have priority, as you can unlock the car and open doors and boot IF the mirrors were folded by the internal button. Use the fob to fold and as soon as you unlock the pop out. Learn something every day!
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X5plug-in Lieutenant 73 Rep 532 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	I almost became trapped by a folding mirror once. Or was it an axe murderer? I forget. Anyway, maybe you can trick you car into thinking it is in the UK? Try only using your cupholders for tea, and if some mentions a crèche pretend to think it is a motor vehicle accident in Kensington. Do not use Tippex / Snowpake on the gps tho as that won't fool a German designed car.
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