[Senilsson]

Originally Posted by Barbera335

Hmm, I have those wheels on my car and I happen to really like them. Also, being a streamline wheel they help with aerodynamics and boost fuel economy, however small. Also, they are a somewhat rare wheel on these vehicles as they were only available for 2 years on 28i vehicles. I think the cheaper car is your best bet provided maintenance records are available. Whatever you decide to get, always have a prepurchase inspection done. N52 engine should be the most reliable as well. My N52 has been flawless with 121,000 miles on it. I have owned it since new.

They're not terrible but imo they are definitely the least attractive option for the X3. Thanks for your input, I really like the smoothness and reliability of the N52 (yet to drive a car with N55)

[Wgosma]

Originally Posted by Senilsson

Ok, but the first one also has the 35i engine (which really, I don't need but not gonna complain about)
Is the sport seat more important than other equipment such as backup camera from a resale pov?

Sport seats: have heated ones in my 2012 28i....no comment on resale value but they are all around a much better seat compared to standard design, superior comfort, support, etc. standard seats have very flat bottom cushion- bought my car used and test drove many with regular seats, the sport seats sealed the decision.

My car pretty much base trim- only heated sport seats, good headlamps and convenience package- no cameras, no sunroof, nothing. Felt seats were THE big deciding factor. But, best to try out both seat types, you may find not as big a deal to you.

Backup camera and sunroof certainly nice, but for me I've had car's w/sunroofs for umpteen years and find I rarely used them (open)...and that was when I lived in California where weather is conducive to open roof driving. Backup camera would be nice, but after 3 years of driving my X3 I find rear visibility is good, haven't backed into anything yet - these cars are not that big, so parking and the like in city situation really never an issue.

[brave-heart]

Originally Posted by Senilsson

Ok, but the first one also has the 35i engine (which really, I don't need but not gonna complain about)
Is the sport seat more important than other equipment such as backup camera from a resale pov?

Check if the second one has camera too, I think that was standard but I could be wrong. For me the ability to choose sport/comfort via button and the thigh support in sport seat are very important. Regret not having those in my 2012 F25

[Senilsson]

Originally Posted by brave-heart

Check if the second one has camera too, I think that was standard but I could be wrong. For me the ability to choose sport/comfort via button and the thigh support in sport seat are very important. Regret not having those in my 2012 F25

It does not have a camera, only sensors.
I like the car a lot and I don't doubt that the seats are nice but I will try to see if they can come down in price a bit. Total cost would be almost $18k which is a bit hefty for a 2011 imo

[brave-heart]

Originally Posted by Senilsson

It does not have a camera, only sensors.
I like the car a lot and I don't doubt that the seats are nice but I will try to see if they can come down in price a bit. Total cost would be almost $18k which is a bit hefty for a 2011 imo

At this mileage the BMW would have 70% of life left while asking 30% of full price. Also there might be some after market camera you can install.

[Senilsson]

Originally Posted by brave-heart

At this mileage the BMW would have 70% of life left while asking 30% of full price. Also there might be some after market camera you can install.

True! I would be OK with 50% of the life left for less than 20% of full price though, lol

[najnad]

Originally Posted by Senilsson

Alright, everybody. Some good news, my Volvo has been sold and will be gone by the end of next week most likely and the replacement will be bought asap when it has left my possession. I've also been able to get a 35% raise which significantly helps!
Now, I'm not going to go crazy but it allows some more flexibility and I just want to show you a couple of cars that may or may not be available in a week or two but just to show you where my mind is so I can get your thoughts.

2011 xDrive35i
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4686/overview/
Pros - Correct color combination, xenon, nice wheels, 35i engine, low miles at 59k, has all the equipment we need, it's local
Cons - It's rather expensive for a 2011? Not sure if miles > age but would be nice to get it under $15k. Also at a dealership so the sales tax is 9.5% (used car from private seller would be something like $85 in comparison)

2011 xDrive35i
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0211/overview/
Pros - Great color combination (wife prefers white but honestly it does not matter), xenon, nice wheels, 35i engine, low miles at 53k, it's local.. (Pretty much the same as above)
Cons - Again, same as the car above. No backup camera though? Honestly not the end of the world but resale value might hurt in the future.. A little pricey. Maybe I can pit these dealerships against eachother.

2011 xDrive28i
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...40502920288121
Pros - Good color combination, xenon, nice wheels, 28i engine, looks super clean for the miles, private seller and somewhat local. This would probably be around $5-6000 cheaper than the cars above.
Cons - 28i engine I guess you could say, but honestly living in downtown Chicago I don't really care about the power, the miles are high at 110k but if I can get it cheap I don't mind a repair here or there.

2011 xDrive28i
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...42220695906929
Pros - OK color combination, xenon, 28i engine, cheap, low miles, well equipped
Cons - A bit of a drive but that's fine, looks OK but has some moisture in the roof? Also the wheels are super ugly, I know they can be replaced but it's added cost and effort.

What are your opinions? Obviously buying a cheaper car is always nicer but I don't want to be left disappointed.
The perfect car would be newer of course but finding it difficult to find anything and I'm fine with travelling.
Input is appreciated!

This one, even if you have to have it shipped to you:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0206/overview/

[Senilsson]

Originally Posted by najnad

This one, even if you have to have it shipped to you:

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0206/overview/

It is sold, but thanks!

I have actually found a car now, a blue 2011 xDrive28i with 30,000 miles and a warranty. Will probably pick it up next week.

Thanks everybody for the help!

[Wgosma]

Good luck with blue car, just amazingly low miles- Xlnt find!

[KC87ZB]

I'm new to the forum but will chime in.

We have bought our 2nd BMW, a 2013 X3 2.8i with the 2.0. Now, I generally would have shied away from this particular model but the engine was replaced less than 1000 miles before we bought it with a brand new 2020 version of the 2.0. I don't have fear of the timing chain/guides/tensioner on this new engine so I jumped in. Less than 90k miles for $11k. Black and well equiped.

I have since done about $1200 worth of maintenance (trans fluid and filter change, transfer case fluid, both diffs, oil, coolant pump, thermostat, fresh coolant, filters and wipers). I'm expecting a solid 50-60k miles without much additional investment.

Might consider looking at one with an engine change if nervous about the 2.0. I will stay that I like the regular 2.8 better, much nicer pull and smoother/quieter. But hey.

[sammyzw]

Does anyone know if this is something fixable, if not, any links for how to replace it?
thanks

[Senilsson]

Originally Posted by sammyzw

Does anyone know if this is something fixable, if not, any links for how to replace it?
thanks

Think you'll get a better answer if you create your own thread buddy.

[Senilsson]

I posted this earlier but I think I accidentally deleted the post when I went to edit it.

Anyway, on Saturday I am picking up this beautiful X3 xDrive28i.
It's a late 2011 build, only has 30 000 miles and has a bumper to bumper warranty. Carfax is super clean and it has been maintained regularly. It's a bit over budget but with the warranty, good equipment and the extremely low miles I think it's warranted.
Let me know what you think.




Comfort And Interior Equipment
S402 Panorama Glass Roof
S413 Luggage Compartment Net
S417 Roller Sun Visor, Rear Door
S420 Sun Protection Glazing
S430 Interior/Outside Mirror With Auto Dip
S431 Interior Mirror With Automatic-Dip
S459 Seat Adjustment, Electric, With Memory
S465 Through-Loading System
S481 Sports Seat
S488 Lumbar Support, Driver And Passenger
S493 Storage Compartment Package
S494 Seat Heating Driver/Passenger
S4CH Fine-Wood Version Fineline Wave



Multimedia
S609 Navigation System Professional
S615 Extended BMW Online Information
S639 Preparation F Mobile Phone Cpl. USA/CDN
S645 BMW US Radio
S676 HiFi Speaker System
S693 Preparation BMW Satellite Radio
S697 Area-Code 1 For DVD
S6AA BMW TeleServices
S6AB Control, Teleservices
S6NL Connection Bluetooth + USB Devices Incl.
S6UH Traffic Information
S6VC Control, Combox

Driver Assistance And Lightning
S508 Park Distance Control (PDC)
S520 Fog Lights
S521 Rain Sensor
S522 Xenon Light
S524 Adaptive Headlights
S534 Automatic Air Conditioning
S544 Cruise Control With Brake Function
S563 Light Package



Wheels And Drive
S205 Automatic Transmission
S216 Hydro Steering-Servotronic
S248 Steering Wheel Heater
S249 Multifunction F Steering Wheel
S255 Sports Leather Steering Wheel
S258 Tyres With Runflat Properties
S2K8 BMW LA Wheel, V Spoke 307
S2VB Tyre Pressure Display

Environment And Safety
S302 Alarm System
S316 Automatic Trunk Lid Mechanism
S319 Integrated Universal Remote Control
S322 Comfort Access
S3AH Reversing Camera And Top View
S3AT Roof Rails Aluminium Satinated
S3XL Exterior Design Equipment X Line
S823 Hot-Climate Version
S845 Acoustic Fasten Seat Belt Reminder
S853 Language Version, English
S876 Radio Frequency 315 MHz
S8KC Dummy-SALAPA
S8S4 Decoding, Variable Light Distribution
S8SC Telematics Access Request,Country-Spec.
S8SL Trailer Coupling Preparation
S8SM Car Ident. Number Visible From Outside
S8TL Dummy-SALAPA
S8TN Daytime Driv.Lights Adjus.Via Light Menu

Other Equipment
S1CA Selection Of COP-Relevant Vehicles
S1CD Brake Energy Regeneration
S925 Dummy-SALAPA
S927 All-Season Tyres
S992 Control Of Number-Plate Attachment
SA090 90 Ah AGM Battery

[frisbeeguy]

Looks good! Congratulations!

[Senilsson]

The seller is being really weird and flaky, I wasn't even allowed to come see the car any time this weekend because he had to 'work'. Can't answer basic questions and is just not accommodating at all... I guess the hunt goes on.

[ItsmeX5]

I just picked up a 2012 n52 with m package and love it! 80k miles white on chestnut. Good luck with your search!

[Senilsson]

I did find a decent 2013 35i now with 98k miles. Its pretty cheap but the CIC display is broken, it doesn't seem to expensive to fix but is it worth the gamble?
Carfax and maintenance looks great..

Originally Posted by persianamir

I just picked up a 2012 n52 with m package and love it! 80k miles white on chestnut. Good luck with your search!

Awesome, hope I can find something decent soon!

[pungo]

Originally Posted by Senilsson

The seller is being really weird and flaky, I wasn't even allowed to come see the car any time this weekend because he had to 'work'. Can't answer basic questions and is just not accommodating at all... I guess the hunt goes on.

Even though the seller is being flaky, personally I'd still try to pursue purchasing it due the low mileage and non-turbo engine over something with 98k miles at a lower cost.

[Senilsson]

Originally Posted by pungo

Even though the seller is being flaky, personally I'd still try to pursue purchasing it due the low mileage and non-turbo engine over something with 98k miles at a lower cost.

Even though it's $6000 cheaper?

[pungo]

Originally Posted by Senilsson

Even though it's $6000 cheaper?

I haven't seen them so it's hard to know the value of either based on condition/options, but with nearly 70k more miles you may end up with well more the $6000 in repairs as time goes on? Since BMW state the many of the fluids are lifetime, critical ones(trans/transfer/diffs) may be original, which is not good. 70k is like 6 more years of use unless that was a lot of highway miles.

[Senilsson]

Originally Posted by pungo

I haven't seen them so it's hard to know the value of either based on condition/options, but with nearly 70k more miles you may end up with well more the $6000 in repairs as time goes on? Since BMW state the many of the fluids are lifetime, critical ones(trans/transfer/diffs) may be original, which is not good. 70k is like 6 more years of use unless that was a lot of highway miles.

Ok, fair enough. I'll bring out the facts about both cars.

First car is the blue 2011 xDrive28i, it has just passed 30,000 miles and has a clean carfax with maintenance records with oil changes and more every year. The warranty was unfortunately not transferable. Price is $14,500. It's pretty close to me, just an hour and a half drive.

Second car is a grey 2013 xDrive35i, it's just below 100,000 miles but also has a clean carfax with maintenance records every year/15,000 miles. Battery just replaced.
It looks clean on the pictures but an inspection would be needed of course. There is one problem with it and that is that the CIC display does not work.
Asking price is $8500, but I have a feeling that could be negotiated a little bit. The car is also a solid 8 hour drive from me.


2013 xDrive35i equipment
1CA Selection Cop Relevant Vehicles Selektion Cop Relevanter Fahrzeuge
1CC Automatic Start/stop Function Auto Start Stop Funktion
1CD Brake Energy Regeneration Brake Energy Regeneration
205 Automatic Transmission Automatic Getriebe
216 Servotronic Servotronic
248 Steering Wheel Heating Lenkradheizung
249 Multi-function For Steering Wheel Multifunktion Fuer Lenkrad
255 Sports Leather Steering Wheel Sport-lederlenkrad
258 Runflat Tyres Bereifung Mit Notlaufeigenschaften
2EC Light Alloy Wheels Y-spoke 308 Lm Raeder Y-speiche 308
2VB Tyre Pressure Indicator Reifendruckanzeige
302 Alarm System Alarmanlage
316 Automatic Tailgate Operation Automatische Heckklappenbetaetigung
319 Integrated Universal Remote Control Integrierte Universal-fernbedienung
322 Comfort Access System Komfortzugang
3AH Rear View Camera With Top View Rueckfahrkamera Mit Top View
402 Panorama Glass Roof Panorama Glasdach
417 Roller Sunblind, Rear Side Windows Sonnenschutzrollo Hintere Tuersch.
420 Sun Protection Glazing Sonnenschutzverglasung
423 Floor Mats, Velour Fussmatten In Velours


430 Interior And Exterior Mirror Packa Innen- Und Aussenspiegelpaket
431 Interior Rr Vw Mirror W Aut Anti-d Innenspiegel,automatisch Abblendend
459 Seat Adjustm., Electr. W. Memory Sitzverstellung, Elektr.mit Memory
465 Through-load System Durchladesystem
488 Lumbar Support Driver/front Passenger Lordosenstuetze Fahrer/beifahrer
493 Storage Compartment Package Ablagenpaket
494 Seat Heating F Driver/front Passenger Sitzheizung Fuer Fahrer/beifahrer
4CH Fine Wood Trim Fineline Wave Edelholzausf. Fineline Wave
4NE Blow-by-heater Blow-by-heizer
4NG Cover Instrument Panel High Gloss Blenden Instrumententafel Hochglanz
4U2 Driving Experience Control Incl. Ec Fahrerlebnisschalter Inkl. Eco Pro
508 Park Distance Control (pdc) Park Distance Control (pdc)
520 Foglights Nebelscheinwerfer
521 Rain Sensor Regensensor
522 Xenon Light Xenon-licht
524 Adaptive Headlights Adaptives Kurvenlicht
534 Automatic Air Conditioning Klimaautomatik
544 Cruise Control With Braking Function Geschwindigkeitsregel. Mit Bremsf.
563 Lights Package Lichtpaket
609 Navigation System Professional Navigationssystem Professional
615 Extended Bmw Online Information Erweiterte Bmw Online Information
639 Complete Prep. Cellular Phone Usa/cdn Komplettvorb. Handy Usa/cdn
645 Radio Control Us Radio-steuerung Us
676 Hifi Loudspeaker System Hifi Lautsprechersystem
693 Satellite Tuner Preparation Satellitentuner Vorbereitung
697 Area-code 1 Area-code 1
6AA Bmw Teleservices Bmw Teleservices
6AB Control Teleservices Steuerung Teleservices
6NF Ext.con.of The Music Play.i.mobilph Music-schnittstelle Fuer Smartphone
6NL Connect. Bluetooth A.usb Devices In Anbind.bluetooth-u.usb-geraete Inkl
6NR Apps Apps
6UH Traffic Information Traffic Information
6VA Cic Control Cic Zusteuerung
6VC Control Combox Steuerung Combox
823 Hot Climate Version Heissland-ausfuehrung
845 Acoustic Belt Warning Akustische Gurtwarnung
853 Language Version English Sprachversion Englisch
876 Radio Frequency 315 Mhz Funkfrequenz 315 Mhz
8KC Oelserviceint. 24.000km/24months Oelwartungsint. 24.000km/24monate
8S4 Decoding Variable Light Distributio Decodierung Variable Lichtverteilun
8SC Country Spec. Release Of Teleservice Laenderspez. Teleservicefreisch.
8SL Preparation For Trailer Tow Hitch Vorbereitung Fuer Anhaengerkupplung
8SM Vin, Visible From Outside Fahrgestellnummer,v.aussen Sichtbar
8TN Daytime Driving Lights Selectable B Tagfahrlicht Ueber Lichtmenue Einst

2011 xDrive28i equipment
Comfort And Interior Equipment
S402 Panorama Glass Roof
S413 Luggage Compartment Net
S417 Roller Sun Visor, Rear Door
S420 Sun Protection Glazing
S430 Interior/Outside Mirror With Auto Dip
S431 Interior Mirror With Automatic-Dip
S459 Seat Adjustment, Electric, With Memory
S465 Through-Loading System
S481 Sports Seat
S488 Lumbar Support, Driver And Passenger
S493 Storage Compartment Package
S494 Seat Heating Driver/Passenger
S4CH Fine-Wood Version Fineline Wave

S609 Navigation System Professional
S615 Extended BMW Online Information
S639 Preparation F Mobile Phone Cpl. USA/CDN
S645 BMW US Radio
S676 HiFi Speaker System
S693 Preparation BMW Satellite Radio
S697 Area-Code 1 For DVD
S6AA BMW TeleServices
S6AB Control, Teleservices
S6NL Connection Bluetooth + USB Devices Incl.
S6UH Traffic Information
S6VC Control, Combox

Driver Assistance And Lightning
S508 Park Distance Control (PDC)
S520 Fog Lights
S521 Rain Sensor
S522 Xenon Light
S524 Adaptive Headlights
S534 Automatic Air Conditioning
S544 Cruise Control With Brake Function
S563 Light Package
S205 Automatic Transmission
S216 Hydro Steering-Servotronic
S248 Steering Wheel Heater
S249 Multifunction F Steering Wheel
S255 Sports Leather Steering Wheel
S258 Tyres With Runflat Properties
S2K8 BMW LA Wheel, V Spoke 307
S2VB Tyre Pressure Display

S302 Alarm System
S316 Automatic Trunk Lid Mechanism
S319 Integrated Universal Remote Control
S322 Comfort Access
S3AH Reversing Camera And Top View
S3AT Roof Rails Aluminium Satinated
S3XL Exterior Design Equipment X Line
S823 Hot-Climate Version
S845 Acoustic Fasten Seat Belt Reminder
S853 Language Version, English
S876 Radio Frequency 315 MHz
S8KC Dummy-SALAPA
S8S4 Decoding, Variable Light Distribution
S8SC Telematics Access Request,Country-Spec.
S8SL Trailer Coupling Preparation
S8SM Car Ident. Number Visible From Outside
S8TL Dummy-SALAPA
S8TN Daytime Driv.Lights Adjus.Via Light Menu

[pungo]

If it were me, in your situation, I'd select the 2011 over the 2013

• You're getting this as a family vehicle with a newborn so you should select the more reliable one, 30k vs 98k, non-turbo vs turbo.
• Sport seats are much more comfortable in my opinion.
• Roof rails, especially if plan to use a carrier for extra space on a trip. Installing rails on the 2013 would be pretty expensive plus a lot of trim and roof liner to be removed/dropped.
• On the 2013, if the oil was changed every 15k, IMHO, that's way too many miles, though BMW computer not agree
• 1.5 hs vs 8 hrs away