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      03-01-2014, 03:38 AM   #23
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Wont come close to de macan dynamically. Nor in interior quality, as it will be the same as the X3 LCI..actually thats just a X3 with a sloping roof line. I'd go for a macan all day long..
That's like saying you'd go for a Carrera over a 435. Diff price bracket
Exactly this!
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Unfortunately since the last gen Cayenne came on the market the BMW SUVs, sorry SAVs, can't stand a chance against Porsches'. That's strictly regarding driving dynamics imo. Other things are more taste based. I dont care about space and interior and exterior design are mostly about individual preferences in this price segment. In build quality BMW's not weak at all in this company and BMW's interior is far more pleasant to me than Porsche's. I bet BMW marketing (and not only) guys noticed that dynamic gap and hopefully developing the next gen they'll be chasing (bettering) the best of the competitors. So how long do we have to wait for a drifting BMW SAV?

In defense of BMW it must be said that BMW is developing its cars from scratch. Porsche SUVs are mechanically largely based on VWs/Audis. That means that with a given budget Porsche has to do less and so is capable of doing better.

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Does anyone know if those air intakes on the Macan S are functional or just for looks?
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It isn't smaller. The Macan is longer and wider than the X3.

So size should be spot on with a X4, with the slanted hatch.

Compare Macan dimensions to X4 Concpet dimensions (which will be almost identical to the production vehicle).

Macan: 184.3 (L) x 76.1 (W) x 63.95 (H) x 110.5 (WB)

X4: 183.0 (L) x 75.4 (W) x 63.9 (H) x 110.6 (WB)

And both feature almost identical boot space.
So, regarding the dimensions both cars are almost identical & thus direct rivals. Macan is a bit heavier.
In S variant it offers a bit more power over 35i - and it's marginally faster 0.1-0.2 seconds faster 0-60mph.

Even the base price tags (for directly comparable models) will be almost identical!
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guys do you think they will premiere it at Geneva motor show right after 6th March announcement?
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A BMW X4 18dxDrive will severely undercut the base Macan in price.
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guys do you think they will premiere it at Geneva motor show right after 6th March announcement?
No. Only the X3 Premieres in Geneva. The X4 premieres at the NYIAS and Leipzig shows.
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Dear Scott26,

Nice video, which engine did we heard? 35i o 35d?

X4 will be in geneva, but no access for public. I can t wait to see it on march 10th. Do you join scott26? It will be for me a great honor to meet you.
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A BMW X4 18dxDrive will severely undercut the base Macan in price.
And it will be severely slower too
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A BMW X4 18dxDrive will severely undercut the base Macan in price.
And it will be severely slower too
Not exactly

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Dear Scott26,

Nice video, which engine did we heard? 35i o 35d?

X4 will be in geneva, but no access for public. I can t wait to see it on march 10th. Do you join scott26? It will be for me a great honor to meet you.
I am in Geneva currently but will be at the Press days only. I have the industry symposium this evening and the BMW CH preview on Sunday night.
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I am in Geneva currently but will be at the Press days only. I have the industry symposium this evening and the BMW CH preview on Sunday night.
So it means you are free for a drink on Monday?
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A BMW X4 18dxDrive will severely undercut the base Macan in price.
Scott sorry but is that the only thing a performance manufacturer like BMW can come up with. Watch out when Porsche drop down into the 1.8d space!! Truth is the X4 is a poor design and looks like Porsche will have it licked! I have just ordered a 3.0d LCI X3 but only because the BMW gives me the boot space I need over the Macan. The Macan has a better interior and from all the reports drives a lot better then the BMW. Need to up your game BMW. Get some new designers to start with !!
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Good point. BMW is dangerously shifting towards mainstream to capture more volume and market share and it is losing its image of sportiness and performance. There is a lot of internal concern with the brand image in the next 3-5 years. You are not alone.
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Scott sorry but is that the only thing a performance manufacturer like BMW can come up with. Watch out when Porsche drop down into the 1.8d space!! Truth is the X4 is a poor design and looks like Porsche will have it licked! I have just ordered a 3.0d LCI X3 but only because the BMW gives me the boot space I need over the Macan. The Macan has a better interior and from all the reports drives a lot better then the BMW. Need to up your game BMW. Get some new designers to start with !!
The X4 in Europe as an example will offer customers affordability over the Macan. For Porsche to drop down then it will be A VAG engine something which Porsche are against.

What is the X4 but a downsized X6 and that is where the appeal lies there are customers who want an X6 in the markets where X6 is successful but find it unaccessible. This is where the X4 comes in.
And stylish crossovers are booming and eradicating traditional segments.
Again this is where the X4 comes in.
The X4 will be offered in a range of engines to appeal to a lot of customers with different needs as well as specification.

If the X4 is a success? Then we will see an "M3 on stilts" X4M.
That is when things could get interesting.

In regards to getting new designers?
My own personal opinion is that we don't need new designers but cars like the X4 etc will appeal to new customers.
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I'm one those customers who is really waiting for X4, I dont need big boot space, but looking for nice styling, affordable price tag (X6 out of my budget) and SUV style higher seating postioning. Macan cheapest model Diesel S is way too expensive for me.
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Good point. BMW is dangerously shifting towards mainstream to capture more volume and market share and it is losing its image of sportiness and performance. There is a lot of internal concern with the brand image in the next 3-5 years. You are not alone.
Nothing new here. In eg. Europe BMW have been selling low-end engined cars (eg 316i, 520i) for years (30+years) and the brand image hasn't suffered at all. It's still considered a premium performance brand.
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Is this a BMW forum or a Porsche forum?

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Based on the x5 to x6 ratio the X4 should be 20 cu ft. But based on roof lines the x4 should have a decent amount more floor space which is what matters in 90% of cargo hauls. Not many people stack their SUV trunks to the ceiling too often.
Looks like the X4 doesn't have more cargo space. The same behind the seats, and actually less with seats folded down.

X4:
Load capacity: 17.7 - 49.4 cu. ft.

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Load capacity: 17.7 - 53.0 cu. ft.
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