[cadman50]

Originally Posted by fiddy yen

2013 Production doesn't come until fall. 2012's started production in October 2011.

OP... you waiting?

No not waiting any longer. I ordered my 35i on 1/3/2012. Supposed to go into production first week of Feb. I've got a production number. I've checked on line and it is still in order processed state. I pretty much loaded it up and thought about changing the SAP to Msport and asked the salesguy. Was told it can't be done at this point but see others have done it. I'm ok with it though. Less to wax. I can use the extra $$ for part of winter wheels/tires.

[fiddy yen]

Originally Posted by cadman50

No not waiting any longer. I ordered my 35i on 1/3/2012. Supposed to go into production first week of Feb. I've got a production number. I've checked on line and it is still in order processed state. I pretty much loaded it up and thought about changing the SAP to Msport and asked the salesguy. Was told it can't be done at this point but see others have done it. I'm ok with it though. Less to wax. I can use the extra $$ for part of winter wheels/tires.

Congrats! what color combo did you go with?

[powertech83]

Originally Posted by Lotus7

Expect a complete engine line-up revision and new chassis in 2016. You should definitely wait until 2017 so you don't have any "first-year teething problems". But, of course the 2018's may even be better. Decisions, decisions!!

I'll get back to you as soon as my flux capacitor reaches full-charge.

Yeah I say wait till the 2018, the features alone will be worth the wait. Full LED headlights, New generation iDrive, Autopilot, 12-speed A/T, etc.

[GuitarDTO]

My wife and I are at the airport now on our way to do the performance delivery for her new fully loaded msport 35i ! Go for it now op

[Uksa007]

If you can wait, I think you should wait.

Resale will be better on a 2013 model as its newer, and its not that far off.

My 2 cents.

[Fryguy29]

Originally Posted by Uksa007

If you can wait, I think you should wait.

Resale will be better on a 2013 model as its newer, and its not that far off.

My 2 cents.

Having the 2013 will add one or two thousand to the resale price if you sell it within 5 years.
If you keep it for like 10, it won't matter, mileage will more likely determine resale value.

That being said, to get a 2013, you will realistically have to wait 5-6 months. You have to decide whether that's worth it to you. On a 50K vehicle, it would not be to me.

If you care about resale, I would buy a Honda.

On a separate note, as I have said on another thread, if they really do start MY 2013 in March, I will be soooo annoyed. I bought a new 2011 in December and it will be 2 model years old in 4 months.
I love the car, and got a really good deal, so in the grand scheme it doesn't matter, especially since i will keep it for many years.
I am more annoyed because theoretically it is stupid to have such a short model year.

[jk]

here's a link to the factory production schedule showing the 2012 will only be produced for 7 months, ending in 3/12
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=594263

if you want the 35i, i doubt there's a point in waiting. if the 28i, you need to decide which engine you want- the current one or the new turbo 4.

ps picked up my x335i at pcd the day before yesterday. pcd is a great experience btw; fun, exciting, and you come away with deep respect for your vehicle.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by jk

here's a link to the factory production schedule showing the 2012 will only be produced for 7 months, ending in 3/12
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=594263

Yep. Same information has been posted here on Bimmerpost as well:

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=560874

if you want the 35i, i doubt there's a point in waiting. if the 28i, you need to decide which engine you want- the current one or the new turbo 4.

+1

If you are planning on a 28i and you wish to have a choice on which engine you get, waiting would be a huge mistake at this point.

Originally Posted by fiddy yen

I am doubting that BMW will make any drastic changes in the following model year especially if the 2014 models are going to be LCI models.

The model year is not important here. The important part is that there are changes coming after March production. This is fact. For the US this is also confirmed to be when they are starting MY2013 as the link above shows. Will it be called a MY2013 in Canada or elsewhere around the world? I don't know. But it doesn't matter. Because what I do know is that the engine that the powers the 28i model will change from N52 to N20 at that time, as per the information revealed in the PDF in this thread:

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637583

There's really no way of telling until released by BMW Group and/or updated internally on BMW's system. I guess we'll wait and see.

"Wait and see" is fine if you don't care about the engine in your 28i. If you do care, however, that would be a very bad move.

[cadman50]

Originally Posted by fiddy yen

Congrats! what color combo did you go with?

I couldn't wait any longer. I was at a point where I didn't want to put any more money into my car and wondered when I would have to. It is running well now but you know how that goes. I got a 35i, DSB, tech,premium,cold weather 1, SAP,upgrade audio, black interior with brushed aluminum. I think I got it all. I don't think I'm going to keep the X3 more than 4 years and wondered about the resale since the 2013's will be in the dealer's lot's probably by May maybe. So I'll have a one year older car by the time I sell with less mileage (as opposed to going with a 2013 that would have had more mileage). But can't wait till I get it now. Looking forward to that "ultimate driving machine"

[iwinit]

If I'm not in a hurry, I will absolutely wait for the 2013. It's not just about resale value. There could be improvements and fixes here and there in the newer model year.

[bigblackwolf]

Originally Posted by lbjgh

I test drove the X1 with the N20 engine and was very impressed. The X3 weighs 385 lbs more than the X1 so I don't know how much impact that'll have on performance.

Originally Posted by fiddy yen

P.S the N20 is very impressive. Loved driving the X1 for the few months that I had it.

Here is a driving report of the X1 with the N20 engine.
http://www.auto-treff.com/bmw/vb/sho...d.php?t=246587
It is described that when the car is driving at low engine rpm and high gear, there is no acceleration power below 2000rpm when there is no gear downshift.
lbjgh&fiddy yen: did you experience that too?
My analysis is following: at the low engine and turbo rpm, the turbo does not accelerate very well and the engine torque does not increase fast enough. So the data sheet 350Nm torque at 1250rpm of the N20 engine is only theoretical. The automatic gearbox will not put the engine in that condition during steady state condition, and during acceleration, that condition is not achieved due to turbo lag.
If that is the situation with the X1, then it should be worse with the X3 due to the higher car weight. I expect then that the X3 28i with the N20 engine will drive with more frequent gear changes and/or on average higher engine rpm than the 28i 6cylinder engine.

[greg2step]

seems like if you want a 28i decide which engine you want... wait if you want the N20... if you are going to get a 35i, does lane departure system matter? I went thru this in august on 2011 vs 2012 - there were some changes in the sport activity package that affected my decision and led me to a 2011. My research led me to believe it will have little impact on resale value, far less then the miles i put on it.

[x3heh]

Few things to remember about turbo engines besides lag is possible lower reliability - turbo engines run under much higher stress than normally aspirated. Also turbos themselves like to fail. Not to mention that 'regular' gas is a big no-no.

[KF]

Hi All

My dealer was expecting a 2.8i four any day early December!! Are they really building and shipping four and six 2.8i's at the same time?

KF NSW

[dnw]

Originally Posted by KF

Hi All

My dealer was expecting a 2.8i four any day early December!! Are they really building and shipping four and six 2.8i's at the same time?

KF NSW

No, your dealer is clueless.

[lbjgh]

I did find the x1 upshifted early when I drove the car and it tended to resist downshifts.

I found on my short drive I selected DS and the car was very responsive with zero lag.

On the highway the 7th and 8th gears made a very relaxed 149kph.

Originally Posted by bigblackwolf

Here is a driving report of the X1 with the N20 engine.
http://www.auto-treff.com/bmw/vb/sho...d.php?t=246587
It is described that when the car is driving at low engine rpm and high gear, there is no acceleration power below 2000rpm when there is no gear downshift.
lbjgh&fiddy yen: did you experience that too?
My analysis is following: at the low engine and turbo rpm, the turbo does not accelerate very well and the engine torque does not increase fast enough. So the data sheet 350Nm torque at 1250rpm of the N20 engine is only theoretical. The automatic gearbox will not put the engine in that condition during steady state condition, and during acceleration, that condition is not achieved due to turbo lag.
If that is the situation with the X1, then it should be worse with the X3 due to the higher car weight. I expect then that the X3 28i with the N20 engine will drive with more frequent gear changes and/or on average higher engine rpm than the 28i 6cylinder engine.

[rexian]

Originally Posted by x3heh

Few things to remember about turbo engines besides lag is possible lower reliability - turbo engines run under much higher stress than normally aspirated. Also turbos themselves like to fail. Not to mention that 'regular' gas is a big no-no.

So from various posts, N20 beats current 28i engine in -

1. Superior mileage. Do we know how much?
2. Anything else other than new options?

Current engine beats N20 in -

1. Higher reliability
2. Normal gas is OK occasionally.
3. Less lag lower rpm.

Are these based on real world experience? It baffles me that ultimate driving machine creator would put a less-performing engine just for mileage.

[lbjgh]

I comes down to torque.

Ya have to ring the power out of the six where as the turbo four has the same hp and more torque. I'm too lazy to look right now but I think max torque on the 4cyl is 1500rpm... basically right off idle.

And again being lazy... the fuel economy should be about 25% better.

Originally Posted by rexian

So from various posts, N20 beats current 28i engine in -

1. Superior mileage. Do we know how much?
2. Anything else other than new options?

Current engine beats N20 in -

1. Higher reliability
2. Normal gas is OK occasionally.
3. Less lag lower rpm.

Are these based on real world experience? It baffles me that ultimate driving machine creator would put a less-performing engine just for mileage.

[x3heh]

I based my opinion about turbo engines on what I've seen in car forums, no experience owning one. Turbo adds a lot of power, but stress and temperatures are increased. Drivers with long-lived turbo cars please chime in.

Also if you drive to/at high altitude places - you really want a turbo or a supercharger, as regular engines lose a lot of power there.

An interesting tidbit is the fact that the next generation Acura RDX is going to be naturally aspirated. Current RDX reviews mention its turbo 4 banger's uneven power delivery...

[jk]

Originally Posted by x3heh

I based my opinion about turbo engines on what I've seen in car forums, no experience owning one. Turbo adds a lot of power, but stress and temperatures are increased. Drivers with long-lived turbo cars please chime in.

my '02 subaru wrx has 138k miles on it, and my '05 subaru legacy gt [turbo] has 108k, and neither has had a problem. i have high hopes for my '12 x3 35i.

[x3heh]

Originally Posted by x3heh

28i's manual recommends higher grade gas, but states you can run it on regular gas full time with some engine knock. Also states this won't affect engine life.

The current trend in the auto industry for cars such as X3 is ECONOMY. X3 lacks a lot of road feel due to the electric/electronic power steering. Hydraulic power steering is much better, but isn't as efficient.

Oops, the manual actually says at least 89 octane or bust, sorry.

[lbjgh]

hmm, I never considered this but does anyone speculate a diesel option will be available in the x3 in north america when MY2013 production starts?

When I test drove the MB 350 GLK the sales guy told me that any MB models sold in Canada with a diesel and petrol, the diesel account for 80% of the model sales. VW can't keep their diesel models in stock either. I'm not holding my breath on a diesel option because our american friends don't understand diesel and BMWNA considers north america one market.