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      05-15-2012, 08:37 PM   #1
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3 series more expensive than the X3?

In the USA:

The 2013 335xi lists for $44,800
The 2013 328xi lists for $38,500

The 2013 X3 35i lists for $43,600.
The 2013 X28i lists for $38,500


In the past I thought I remembered the x3 as being the more expensive.

I'm a little miffed the 335i is more expensive. Makes me feel like I bought a utilitarian {albeit expensive} work truck.

Yeah I know very shallow, but c'mon, I had a 3 series and I thought I was moving up with the x3.
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the x3 and x5 are the value propositions of the bmw line. i assume it's because they're manufactured mostly, and assembled completely in so. carolina instead of europe. lower cost structure.
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Imp it all comes down to:

Want to be sporty and throw the car around yet be safe with added protection of x drive? -Get the 3 series.

You a soccer mom or dad and need the space for groceries and family? Or space to make love in the car with ur gf or a hot date you just picked up with the back seat down with a inflatable bed up in place? -Get the X3 , that's just me.
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Do you have the prices with similar options?
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      05-15-2012, 11:33 PM   #5
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Do you have the prices with similar options?
No, that would have required too much work. I was just being reactionary ,not necessarily accurate.
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In the USA:

The 2013 335xi lists for $44,800
The 2013 328xi lists for $38,500

The 2013 X3 35i lists for $43,600.
The 2013 X28i lists for $38,500


In the past I thought I remembered the x3 as being the more expensive.

I'm a little miffed the 335i is more expensive. Makes me feel like I bought a utilitarian {albeit expensive} work truck.

Yeah I know very shallow, but c'mon, I had a 3 series and I thought I was moving up with the x3.
Definitely one of the oddest posts I've read.....not clear how this comparison is relevant? What does an X3 have to do with a 3 series? I realize some people buy the BMW brand for ego purposes however I would like to think a forum like this is largely the domain of enthusiasts?

BMW sets their prices obviously considering the relationship to their other models but the larger consideration is the models of their competitors in the same segment. For example the GLK, RX350, Q5 etc.

Yup you're right, very shallow.
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Imp it all comes down to:

Want to be sporty and throw the car around yet be safe with added protection of x drive? -Get the 3 series.

You a soccer mom or dad and need the space for groceries and family? Or space to make love in the car with the back seat down with a inflatable bed up in place? -Get the X3 , that's just me.
Even weirder, not a mental picture I want, but thanks.
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Or space to make love in the car with the back seat down with a inflatable bed up in place? -Get the X3 , that's just me.
Not sure on the cultural differences...
Just checking, do you have someone else with you that you are not mentioning or are you actually making love with the inflatable bed?
The latter sounds kind of creepy.

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In the USA:

The 2013 335xi lists for $44,800
The 2013 328xi lists for $38,500

The 2013 X3 35i lists for $43,600.
The 2013 X28i lists for $38,500


In the past I thought I remembered the x3 as being the more expensive.

I'm a little miffed the 335i is more expensive. Makes me feel like I bought a utilitarian {albeit expensive} work truck.

Yeah I know very shallow, but c'mon, I had a 3 series and I thought I was moving up with the x3.
Up? Down? Please! Think that there are people who drive a Veyron, or fly a Gulfstream, or have a $300M yacht. Ego definition via car prices is ... problematic. That one could spend multiple times on a car than one does on the X3 doesn't mean one has to do that. Just drive what suits your needs and what you like!
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      05-16-2012, 01:01 AM   #10
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Well, let's see...
-The F25 is built on the same basic platform as the new 3 series.
-I was comparing the 3 series with xdrive as that is essentially what the x3 is.
-The engines and options are essentially shared components.
-As I mentioned, I believe the x3 was always more expensive in the past

Add to this the Q5 is more expensive than the A4.

The issue may be shallow but it's one of perceived value.
From an NRE, materials and tooling stand point do you think it's more expensive to build a 3 series coupe vs. a 3 series sedan?

Surely the sedan should cost more from a tooling and materials standpoint with its two additional doors and more components for those doors.

The coupe is sexier, more exclusive and can command a higher price.

Or better, the cost to build a front wheel drive A3 vs. a Golf. Sure, the finish materials are better/ more expensive in the Audi, but it's the design and brand you're paying the premium for.

As we all know, cars and all products are not simply priced by the cost of the NRE, raw materials and the tooling. Sure this counts, but it is the perceived value that manufacturers want to count on. If you can build a brand that can capture more dollars, then more power to you.

Look at diamonds... Oakleys. Any high perceived value product.

Bottomline: I had the perception the x3 should have a higher retail cost than the 3 series as it is a 3 series with more. This latest pricing announcement is changing that perception.

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Definitely one of the oddest posts I've read.....not clear how this comparison is relevant? What does an X3 have to do with a 3 series? I realize some people buy the BMW brand for ego purposes however I would like to think a forum like this is largely the domain of enthusiasts?

BMW sets their prices obviously considering the relationship to their other models but the larger consideration is the models of their competitors in the same segment. For example the GLK, RX350, Q5 etc.

Yup you're right, very shallow.
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Come and live in the UK instead? X3 is reassuringly more expensive that the three series and you can, also reassuringly, pay a lot more for a much more basic model (and wait an awful lot longer for it to be delivered)?

I would rather have a fully loaded X3 3.5i quickly in the US I think...
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Or space to make love in the car with the back seat down with a inflatable bed up in place? -Get the X3 , that's just me.
Not sure on the cultural differences...
Just checking, do you have someone else with you that you are not mentioning or are you actually making love with the inflatable bed?
The latter sounds kind of creepy.

Oh, my bad. I forgot to mention ur gf or some hot date that you just picked up >_>.
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In the USA:

The 2013 335xi lists for $44,800
The 2013 328xi lists for $38,500

The 2013 X3 35i lists for $43,600.
The 2013 X28i lists for $38,500


In the past I thought I remembered the x3 as being the more expensive.

I'm a little miffed the 335i is more expensive. Makes me feel like I bought a utilitarian {albeit expensive} work truck.

Yeah I know very shallow, but c'mon, I had a 3 series and I thought I was moving up with the x3.
obviously, you should have bought a cayenne.
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In the USA:

The 2013 335xi lists for $44,800
The 2013 328xi lists for $38,500

The 2013 X3 35i lists for $43,600.
The 2013 X28i lists for $38,500


In the past I thought I remembered the x3 as being the more expensive.

I'm a little miffed the 335i is more expensive. Makes me feel like I bought a utilitarian {albeit expensive} work truck.

Yeah I know very shallow, but c'mon, I had a 3 series and I thought I was moving up with the x3.

It is base model cheaper cool.....well you just made my X3 even better to me If it was half the price of the 3 series I would be even happier ...
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Well, let's see...
-The F25 is built on the same basic platform as the new 3 series.
-I was comparing the 3 series with xdrive as that is essentially what the x3 is.
-The engines and options are essentially shared components.
-As I mentioned, I believe the x3 was always more expensive in the past

Add to this the Q5 is more expensive than the A4.

The issue may be shallow but it's one of perceived value.
From an NRE, materials and tooling stand point do you think it's more expensive to build a 3 series coupe vs. a 3 series sedan?

Surely the sedan should cost more from a tooling and materials standpoint with its two additional doors and more components for those doors.

The coupe is sexier, more exclusive and can command a higher price.

Or better, the cost to build a front wheel drive A3 vs. a Golf. Sure, the finish materials are better/ more expensive in the Audi, but it's the design and brand you're paying the premium for.

As we all know, cars and all products are not simply priced by the cost of the NRE, raw materials and the tooling. Sure this counts, but it is the perceived value that manufacturers want to count on. If you can build a brand that can capture more dollars, then more power to you.

Look at diamonds... Oakleys. Any high perceived value product.

Bottomline: I had the perception the x3 should have a higher retail cost than the 3 series as it is a 3 series with more. This latest pricing announcement is changing that perception.

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Definitely one of the oddest posts I've read.....not clear how this comparison is relevant? What does an X3 have to do with a 3 series? I realize some people buy the BMW brand for ego purposes however I would like to think a forum like this is largely the domain of enthusiasts?

BMW sets their prices obviously considering the relationship to their other models but the larger consideration is the models of their competitors in the same segment. For example the GLK, RX350, Q5 etc.

Yup you're right, very shallow.
That's pretty long winded and confusing. If you wanted to distance yourself from the 3 series so badly perhaps an X5 or X6 or a different brand was in order?

You obviously understand how closely related the X3 and 3 series are so where is your confusion coming from? Would you have felt better if the X3 was $1000 more? $2000? What number would satisfy the ego so you could feel like you are "moving up"?

The 1 series is correlated with the X1, the 3 series with the X3, 4 series with X4, 5 series with X5, 6 series with X6. Where is the confusion? Posts like this really bug me because they are not about the car and brand and the appreciation of those but rather about status. To me that's what gives luxury brands a bad name, the attraction of D%?# B%%gs.
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You're driving a truck - that's why the word "utility" is in the descriptor for the category: I don't see what the problem is with having something priced higher. What's the insecurity?
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Come and live in the UK instead? X3 is reassuringly more expensive that the three series and you can, also reassuringly, pay a lot more for a much more basic model (and wait an awful lot longer for it to be delivered)? ...
I priced up an X3 3.0d a while ago, and for like specification, it compared to a 5-series F10 530d. Here in the UK, we don't have a price tag that looks close to the 3-series.

Then the US have cheap BMWs anyway, by comparison to UK prices.

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I believe why the 3-series costs more than the X3 is because of demand, its BMW's bread and butter, their most popular car. When people buy an suv they typically get the largest one they can afford and the perceived value or status leans in favor of the X5.

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That's pretty long winded and confusing. If you wanted to distance yourself from the 3 series so badly perhaps an X5 or X6 or a different brand was in order?

You obviously understand how closely related the X3 and 3 series are so where is your confusion coming from? Would you have felt better if the X3 was $1000 more? $2000? What number would satisfy the ego so you could feel like you are "moving up"?

The 1 series is correlated with the X1, the 3 series with the X3, 4 series with X4, 5 series with X5, 6 series with X6. Where is the confusion? Posts like this really bug me because they are not about the car and brand and the appreciation of those but rather about status. To me that's what gives luxury brands a bad name, the attraction of D%?# B%%gs.
I'm not trying to say you're being dishonest but come on, at least a small part of the reason why you bought a 328i and X3 is because of the BMW status. I mean say if KIA or Zastava, the maker of the Yugo created a car that was in every way the same as the X3 but badged under their name, would you consider buying that car because you're a so called enthusiast?

The fact is most people who drive a BMW or one of their competitors cares more about status and looks than if the car handles well or how much HP it has. BMW knows this that's why their new cars starting with the F30 3-series now have the option to be built as a sport, modern, and luxury line which also comes with a tacky badge so you can announce to the world which trim you picked. It's the same reason why all BMWs come with run flats, BMW probably thinks most of their customers don't know how to change a tire.
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I believe why the 3-series costs more than the X3 is because of demand, its BMW's bread and butter, their most popular car. When people buy an suv they typically get the largest one they can afford and the perceived value or status leans in favor of the X5.
Its just a strategic positioning of X3 to capture the market. Price of X3 was substantially reduced in 2011 to enter compact SUV market agressively with BMW quality and name. It has got nothing to do with Series 3.
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In my opinion, this thread is much ado about nothing.......
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That's pretty long winded and confusing. If you wanted to distance yourself from the 3 series so badly perhaps an X5 or X6 or a different brand was in order?

You obviously understand how closely related the X3 and 3 series are so where is your confusion coming from? Would you have felt better if the X3 was $1000 more? $2000? What number would satisfy the ego so you could feel like you are "moving up"?

The 1 series is correlated with the X1, the 3 series with the X3, 4 series with X4, 5 series with X5, 6 series with X6. Where is the confusion? Posts like this really bug me because they are not about the car and brand and the appreciation of those but rather about status. To me that's what gives luxury brands a bad name, the attraction of D%?# B%%gs.
Geezus...
How concrete is this response {and others}?
The point I was making was about perceived value, not status, not ego.
And there is no confusion other than t these replies.

Why would I {or anyone} be so retarded that I would be pointing out such a weak attribute as the status associated with a BMW amongst other owners who hopefully buy the cars for their performance. I thought what I wrote was so wrong, it was funny.
Is there no room for sarcasm? No sense of humor?
Further, once someone makes fun of themselves, do you think you're funny for jumping in with the same joke/dig they already made?
You're late and not funny.

Like I wrote, before this pricing release my perception was the X3 would command a higher price.

Speaking of status, I'm not the one who used the class reeking term of "luxury brand". I believe in the context of what you wrote its oxy-moronic.

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