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      04-26-2011, 01:13 PM   #45
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There was one "code" logged that confirmed that a fault display or displays had been generated. Unfortunately, the cause made no sense at all.

The US EPA required OBD-II fault codes are very specific as to what must be logged regarding anything that effects the vehicle's emissions. Otherwise the available logging of fault codes is up to each individual manufacturer. There is little consistency within the industry or even within a model line so unless you have access to proprietary manufacturer's specifications, you cannot be sure of what data is available on the access port.

For instance, I was considering adding a digital boost gauge to the car to monitor the turbocharger. On other forced induction cars I’ve owned, I’ve found a boost gauge to be invaluable to be sure everything is working as expected and to be a good check on the turbo’s general health. I’ve contacted BMW NA customer service, and they have been of no help in determining if the required MAP sensor data can be read from the port, and both manufacturer’s of digital boost gauges I’ve considered have not had any direct experience with the X3 35i to know if their products will work on the car.
Annoying that in this day in age with so much memory storage available, they don't have more comprehensive logging to assist troubleshooting. Surely it would be a good idea for customers and manufacturers alike
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      04-26-2011, 01:13 PM   #46
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Really a Subaru Lemon, first I have heard of a Subaru. My household is a BMW and Subaru staple. Was it the new Outback or older gen?
It was the new Outback (2010).
It had the shaking problem at highway speeds that has been plaguing the US cars for 2 years now. The suspension on North American Subaru Outbacks is different than the rest of the world, and this problem is only found on Outbacks in the US and Canada. To-date there is no fix. They have a TSB that masks the problem but has only about a 50% success rate.

I don’t want to hijack this thread, but if you are interested in this problem there is an entire forum subsection for it at Subaruoutback.org
http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/...-shake-issues/
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      04-26-2011, 02:19 PM   #47
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It was the new Outback (2010).
It had the shaking problem at highway speeds that has been plaguing the US cars for 2 years now. The suspension on North American Subaru Outbacks is different than the rest of the world, and this problem is only found on Outbacks in the US and Canada. To-date there is no fix. They have a TSB that masks the problem but has only about a 50% success rate.

I don’t want to hijack this thread, but if you are interested in this problem there is an entire forum subsection for it at Subaruoutback.org
http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/...-shake-issues/
Thanks for the info, hope most of the errors being mentioned here on the X3 are software glitches. which can be sorted with an upgrade, guess its the pain of 1st year glitches watching this closely.
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Well that sucks! Hope this doesn't turn into some huge problem across the board for BMW. Maybe if it does though, it will force a recall and some immediate action. Have you looked on any of the other series forums to see if people are complaining about this as well?
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WTF??!!

Is it only Judd and Lotus and Lotus' loaner (!) with this problem on XBimmers?
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      04-26-2011, 06:02 PM   #50
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No....it's our actual cars...but mine's fixed anyways.
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Well, you've gone through a lot and at least you aren't going to sit back and be taken for a ride with this situation. I hope it's resolved with the update. Good luck and keep us posted.
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After some thought about the warning that my wife saw this afternoon: A Stability Control warning (No ABS and NO 4X4 warnings) that quickly reset itself while she was driving in a manner that should not have resulted in any stability control actuation, I've come to the conclusion that the warning was probably NOT an erroneous warning at all and may have been valid.

I had noticed that the 328i loaner seemed to ride a little hard and didn't handle like other 3 Series cars I've driven so I decided to check the tires. The factory recommended pressure for a 328i (XDrive) with 17 inch all -season tires is 32 F and 36 R.

The loaner we were given had cold pressures of 42 F and 38 R. Instead of a F/R pressure differential of -4 psi, it had a reverse pressure differential of +4 and the front tires were inflated to 10 psi above spec. I adjusted all the tires to 2psi above spec all-around, reset the TPM, and the car handles much better now. Hopefully, that's all it was.

I'd be surprised if that would be enough to cause the Stability Control system to detect a F/R speed differential that was interpreted as some tire slippage triggering the SC warning, but it is a possibility.

Haven't heard from the SA today, but assuming that they have not seen another "false alarm" on the X3, we should be getting it back tomorrow. Time will tell if their “software update” has had any effect on this intermittent problem. I'll be very happy to trade the "spookey" 328i for our X3.
I’m always amazed how few dealers bother to properly inflate the tires.
The first thing I always do when picking up a car is to get out my tire gage and check the pressure.
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After some thought about the warning that my wife saw this afternoon: A Stability Control warning (No ABS and NO 4X4 warnings) that quickly reset itself while she was driving in a manner that should not have resulted in any stability control actuation, I've come to the conclusion that the warning was probably NOT an erroneous warning at all and may have been valid.

I had noticed that the 328i loaner seemed to ride a little hard and didn't handle like other 3 Series cars I've driven so I decided to check the tires. The factory recommended pressure for a 328i (XDrive) with 17 inch all -season tires is 32 F and 36 R.

The loaner we were given had cold pressures of 42 F and 38 R. Instead of a F/R pressure differential of -4 psi, it had a reverse pressure differential of +4 and the front tires were inflated to 10 psi above spec. I adjusted all the tires to 2psi above spec all-around, reset the TPM, and the car handles much better now. Hopefully, that's all it was.

I'd be surprised if that would be enough to cause the Stability Control system to detect a F/R speed differential that was interpreted as some tire slippage triggering the SC warning, but it is a possibility.

Haven't heard from the SA today, but assuming that they have not seen another "false alarm" on the X3, we should be getting it back tomorrow. Time will tell if their “software update” has had any effect on this intermittent problem. I'll be very happy to trade the "spookey" 328i for our X3.
Is the new I-Drive still running on Microsoft Windows CE?
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Lotus, just curious, what was your build date?
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Lotus, just curious, what was your build date?
Started on Feb. 1 & completed on Feb. 2.
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Is the new I-Drive still running on Microsoft Windows CE?
Believe so, but don't know which version. CE6.0 was the big "redesign update" and is apparently much improved over all previous versions. CE7.0 is now the current version. It wouldn't surprise me if BMW is still using 1.0 or 1.5.
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Believe so, but don't know which version. CE6.0 was the big "redesign update" and is apparently much improved over all previous versions. CE7.0 is now the current version. It wouldn't surprise me if BMW is still using 1.0 or 1.5.
maybe it could be the source of the errors...
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I’m always amazed how few dealers bother to properly inflate the tires.
The first thing I always do when picking up a car is to get out my tire gage and check the pressure.
Amen. They are always significantly low when I take delivery. Luckily, the compressor in my garage is always ready to go!
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Oy Seriously, your situation is really not persuading me to buy a BMW. I know these issues can happen with any car, but it seems like they may have sent out a vehicle that needed some guinea pigs to work out the kinks. Been there, done that with Ford. Really hope this situation turns around for you quickly...or that you feel you were fairly compensated for this. Not sure what that would take at this point though. Eek.
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Wow Lotus, I would be sick in my stomach. I pray this doesn't happen to my vehicle. I will go crazy! Will this be the third time so you can apply the Lemon law? If you do, will you order another one?
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It is at least a tiny bit comforting that you have a lemon law in the US. I don't think there's anything like it in Canada. I'm bringing my car in tomorrow and I am very fearful that I'll be on much of the same roller coaster ride as you are now...
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It is at least a tiny bit comforting that you have a lemon law in the US. I don't think there's anything like it in Canada. I'm bringing my car in tomorrow and I am very fearful that I'll be on much of the same roller coaster ride as you are now...
What's your X3 going in for??
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Sorry to hear that Lotus. I hope for your sake it's fixable and soon. I hope for other people's sakes that these problems are few and far between. The % still appears to be very small but it's hard to know for sure
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