[ramda2021]

Hello everybody,

I didn't have the money for a more powerful X3. I wanted weight and security because no matter how careful you drive, there's too often an idiot that may bump into you at high speed. After testing some really lazy Santa Fe and an Edge, I've found that at 190hp the BMW engine pulls waaay better. So I'm pretty satisfied, but I feel I could use a little bit more power and a faster response. I'm also on the safe side regarding heavy engine mods so the safest option for me pointed to the BMW m performance power kit, which is made "in house" by BMW themselves and had been thoroughly tested; that would increase the hp and torque with ca. 10% (190 -> 211 hp and 400 -> 440 Nm) - while modest, it apparently changes the response and acceleration a bit.
Has anyone with an F25 LCI 20d installed that BMW power kit and felt a difference? I seem to find no info on the internet from users.

Thank you.

[andreigbs]

I didn't have the money for a more powerful X3

Then don't waste money on exhaust "bling" is my advice.

[spudslatte]

Buy Dinan - 209.00 and autozone 11.00 for fake dual chrome pipe extensions...you can screw it on

[ramda2021]

Thanks, but first, for the reasons stated above, I'd be keen on going with the BMW power kit. Secondary to that, there's no Dinan rep in Eastern Europe, so service-wise it would be a pain in the arse. Finally, on their website you can choose products for 28d, 30d etc but 20d is not mentioned. But mainly see first reason yet thanks a lot for the input.

[ramda2021]

I've reconsidered the tailpipe issue initially mentioned - there's no point in it and it probably looks better with the stock oval tip, even though it doesn't fill the rear bumper's space a bit more. I deleted the references to it in my original post - any way to edit the thread title?

But I'm still interested if any of you guys have any experience with the BMW's M performance power kit for the 20d, and mainly if you notice any difference when driving. As I said, it's 10% increase in power and torque. Thanks a lot

[pokerface]

10% in power won't be noticable. I think you could get better value/performance by seeking a local tuner. Quick research on N47 20d tunes show you could get +30hp.

I understand you want something conservative and safe, but I think the BMW branded one won't make a huge difference.

[andreigbs]

Agreed, find a local tuner to unlock the potential of that engine. A good tune gives you an extra 50-60hp easily, along with better fuel economy when not stomping on it.

[ramda2021]

Thanks, guys. The ACS tune is over expensive and won't unlock much more power than the BMW kit. Haven't heard of any Hamman or JB4 or Racechip around here. It's usually a "local neighborhood dude", actually a bunch of them, doing some tuning but one usually has no idea what sort of product they're using and if it's properly tuned for that specific engine - hence the worries. But I'll dig into that.

[spudslatte]

Why don't you just save the pennies and buy an M40i if you are unhappy? I think my 28i has enough horsepower for an SUV. If I want to rip it, I get in my M5.

[ramda2021]

Well, that's simply a lot more expensive than a power kit
Power kit + installation ~ 2500 euros, M40i is 15-20k euros more. Different stuff, I know, but I'm just trying to squeeze more from what I can afford.

[pungo]

Originally Posted by radanmih

Thanks, guys. The ACS tune is over expensive and won't unlock much more power than the BMW kit. Haven't heard of any Hamman or JB4 or Racechip around here. It's usually a "local neighborhood dude", actually a bunch of them, doing some tuning but one usually has no idea what sort of product they're using and if it's properly tuned for that specific engine - hence the worries. But I'll dig into that.

Sorry, I don't have any recommendations for a 20d tune, not sure how many 20d are here in the US, though I'm sure there are some good tuning choices available so do your homework.

Originally Posted by spudslatte

Why don't you just save the pennies and buy an M40i if you are unhappy? I think my 28i has enough horsepower for an SUV. If I want to rip it, I get in my M5.

The OP asked about tuning options for their current small diesel engine, which is a common ask. Putting a tune on these vehicles is an economical way of getting a little more out of the engine and has been done for decades.
You come a long and recommend they purchase a M40i instead. Sure that's one way to get way more power, but an extremely expensive one and not in line with answering the OP question. Then there's the M5 plug

Ignoring now...

[spudslatte]

Pungo - grow up - all I see from you are sarcastic comments and a know it all attitude - perhaps all you want to do is up your post count

And no plug for an m5 - I have one like many others big deal

Maybe you should ignore your own comments before you riddle them with sarcasm and childish emoticons

Just an FYI- you have an suv - you don't try to turn it into a race car - I use Dinan and I have stage iii in MY M5

I was only suggesting if the OP wanted hot horsepower, spend the extra 7K and bump it up

Obviously if you are trying to put a tailpipe extension on a 20d, you need some advice

So knock it off Lt Col - my late father was an ADM btw you are nothing more than a condescending, know it all jerk , you contribute nothing but bad vibes for this whole forum - ignore you

[n55david]

Originally Posted by spudslatte

Pungo - grow up - all I see from you are sarcastic comments and a know it all attitude - perhaps all you want to do is up your post count

And no plug for an m5 - I have one like many others big deal

Maybe you should ignore your own comments before you riddle them with sarcasm and childish emoticons

Just an FYI- you have an suv - you don't try to turn it into a race car - I use Dinan and I have stage iii in MY M5

I was only suggesting if the OP wanted hot horsepower, spend the extra 7K and bump it up

Obviously if you are trying to put a tailpipe extension on a 20d, you need some advice

So knock it off Lt Col - my late father was an ADM btw you are nothing more than a condescending, know it all jerk , you contribute nothing but bad vibes for this whole forum - ignore you

nah, I'm with pungo on this man..

[spudslatte]

Good im glad you're with him, man - you like obnoxious responses riddled with sarcasm

I'm here to post comments and questions to gain the collective wisdom of folks here - obviously as you are not aware, ppl in other forums rib others for trying to do things with their vehicles thst they aren't meant to do

If my comments are so offensive, I'm sorry -

But grow tf up

[WagonR]

Originally Posted by spudslatte

Good im glad you're with him, man - you like obnoxious responses riddled with sarcasm

I'm here to post comments and questions to gain the collective wisdom of folks here - obviously as you are not aware, ppl in other forums rib others for trying to do things with their vehicles thst they aren't meant to do

If my comments are so offensive, I'm sorry -

But grow tf up

Nice take, my guy. Nothing more grown up than abbreviating "the fuck." Just some real I'm definitely not a child type shit.

There's nothing wrong with someone wanting to modify their car for a bit more power or fun. Should you consider if it's better to just bite the bullet and sell your current car and get the one with the bigger motor? Yeah, that's a fair consideration. Don't disagree, but there could be legitimate reasons for just slightly bumping the power on what you have.

Should you be a condescending fuck if someone wants to add 20, 30, 40hp to their car to have more fun with it because you have a 5XXhp M5...probably not.

Someone who wants a bit more power form their SUV isn't trying to turn it into a racecar (nice strawman) and since you have that big bad dinan M5, you probably shouldn't be threatened by it, right?

And to address the end of your driveling nonsense, the "positions" are based on some algorithm set by the forum, which I think is primarily based on posts. Dude isn't pretending to have a position in the military, so maybe place your anger about that elsewhere? to me it's an odd system, but it's really not relevant to the discussion at hand.

Thank said. Thank you to your father for his service. 100%.Not trying to take anything away from that.

[WagonR]

Originally Posted by radanmih

Hello everybody,

I didn't have the money for a more powerful X3. I wanted weight and security because no matter how careful you drive, there's too often an idiot that may bump into you at high speed. After testing some really lazy Santa Fe and an Edge, I've found that at 190hp the BMW engine pulls waaay better. So I'm pretty satisfied, but I feel I could use a little bit more power and a faster response. I'm also on the safe side regarding heavy engine mods so the safest option for me pointed to the BMW m performance power kit, which is made "in house" by BMW themselves and had been thoroughly tested; that would increase the hp and torque with ca. 10% (190 -> 211 hp and 400 -> 440 Nm) - while modest, it apparently changes the response and acceleration a bit.
Has anyone with an F25 LCI 20d installed that BMW power kit and felt a difference? I seem to find no info on the internet from users.

Thank you.

I was unaware of any tuning kits or exhaust kits for the F25 X3 from BMW. Do you have part numbers on any of this?

[ramda2021]

Originally Posted by WagonR

I was unaware of any tuning kits or exhaust kits for the F25 X3 from BMW. Do you have part numbers on any of this?

Well, the BMW's M performance power kit code is 11122405695; it comprises a new ECU and a bigger intercooler.
It requires, as per official recommendations, to install as well:
Front left brake air duct - 51747378073
Front right brake air duct - 51747378074
Grille, middle bottom, open - 51117338476

As for the AC Schnitzer, here's the link:
https://www.ac-schnitzer.de/en/bmw/x...-f26-1336.html

Oddly, even though it offers slightly more power and torque, the AC Schnitzer doesn't ask for a bigger intercooler and the rest (I wonder why).



That aside,
Thanks for any input and advice. I can't remember the last time I was on a forum, but I reckon this should be a place for discussions, not for fighting. As one can see, I'm no longer interested in tailpipe trims - you sometimes sleep on it and you wake up finding it childish. As for the rest, no offence taken from any comment, but obviously the suggestions need to be a bit related to the question asked. Yeap, didn't have more money to spend now for a bigger engine and if I do, for now I feel like I'd rather use them for my kid's education or a good family holiday. My choice, my current possibilities. The car already does what it's supposed to do and it does so better than any car I've driven so far. But hell yes, I'd like to squeeze a little bit more of its engine, certainly not for racing, but for the fun of it and for safer takeovers.
So I'd rather have someone tell me "mate, you're crazy, for the following good reasons:..." or even question the size of my dick leading to wishing more torque, than being told to invest 15k more in another car, cause if I could, I would have, instead of asking around about tuning options. I myself wonder, for instance, why would somebody need 100hp more on a car that already has 550hp, but to each their pleasures and I respect that.

[n55david]

Originally Posted by spudslatte

Good im glad you're with him, man - you like obnoxious responses riddled with sarcasm

I'm here to post comments and questions to gain the collective wisdom of folks here - obviously as you are not aware, ppl in other forums rib others for trying to do things with their vehicles thst they aren't meant to do

If my comments are so offensive, I'm sorry -

But grow tf up

thanks for the advice

[andreigbs]

I'm pretty sure the 20d in Europe is badged the 28d here. Same 4cyl engine, just one is coded B47 and the other (ours) is N47.

As suggested before, find a good tuner. An additional 40hp and big torque bump is easy to extract from these engines and do not require hardware modifications.

[n55david]

Originally Posted by andreigbs

I'm pretty sure the 20d in Europe is badged the 28d here. Same 4cyl engine, just one is coded B47 and the other (ours) is N47.

As suggested before, find a good tuner. An additional 40hp and big torque bump is easy to extract from these engines and do not require hardware modifications.

yeah, a tune is totally worth it on a turbo engine. easy power and makes the driving experience way better. unless it's Dinan, that's garbage for the $$

[andreigbs]

It's similar to the 320i and 328i F31s here: same engine, just different tuning. And the 328i got the twin tailpipe (of which one is closed off most of the time, unless coded open).

It's mostly marketing. The easiest way to make more power is a tune, simple as that. There are plenty of tuners in Europe and it can be performed remotely if needed. It's best to find a local shop that can do hands-on and you can always go back to them if needed.

All of my diesels have been tuned over the years. Warranty or not, they got a stage 1 tune pretty much right away.

[ramda2021]

Just wanted to add a few words for anyone still interested in the M performance power kit.
I've installed the new MPPK ECU about a month ago and waited a bit to have a better image of the changes.
Well, for one, it is not overly impressive, as you might have imagined. It doesn't change your car into a race beast, but it does give a little bit extra power. In comfort mode, it seems to accelerate a little bit faster. My first impression was that the difference between comfort and sport modes wasn't that obvious anymore, yet in sport mode you can still feel the change. I can't compare sport modes before and after the installation.
Oh, and interestingly enough, it appears to be slightly less noisier.
So, as you can see, the recurring words here are "a bit", "a little", "slightly". I guess any extra power is good, and having a thoroughly tested original BMW power kit still does feel as the safest option available, but the power increase is minimal for a pretty high price, so if you feel lucky enough and need to really squeeze more power from a rather small engine, you should probably go for a JB4 or alikes.
Not knowing too much about engines, I retained mainly the fact that a piggyback does not take ALL parameters into account, so I was afraid of what may go wrong because of that and went conservative.
The observation above probably goes for the AC Schnitzer as well, since as you can see in the comments above it only offers a minimal increase on top of the BMW's MPPK.
Also, no idea if a 10% increase in torque and HP feels any different on an engine bigger than the 20d. Probably not - I reckon that the difference you feel is related to the percentage increase and not the HP / torque exact numbers.
Best to you.