[biemmemik]

I just bought a BMW X3 G01 30D built in Nov 2017 and have been trying to find out if it is a Euro 6d-temp or not. I even called BMW UK however they didn't even know what Euro 6d is - that's probably because it is not relevant for the UK ([[url="https://www.parkers.co.uk/what-is/what-is-euro6-emissions-standards/"]). It seems from previous posts in this thread that BMW was already complying to Euro 6d-temp before 'promising' to align all X3 from August 2018, but I am overall rather confused by the comments I read.

So my question is: can anyone tell me if my BMW is Euro 6d-temp?

A part from this, I am really enjoying the car and am very very happy with the 3L 6-cylinder version, I drove the 4-cylinder before and this has a much smoother and elegant feel (in addition to power!).

Thanks!

[b19rak]

I’m sure I read or watched a YouTube video to say it was. I’ve got the same on order.

[teaston]

If it has Adblue then I'm pretty certain that makes it euro6d, it should say on the log book also.

[Paavju]

I think it is, see https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeu...temp%20modelle

[MarkyM]

G01 was 6d tmp compliment from August 2018

https://www.fleeteurope.com/fr/conne...NOx&curl=1

[Pete17]

Just had a look at my V5 and it says Euro6AD. The build was July 2018 even though I only got it a month ago, don't know why no one wanted it. It as the 2.0d engine.

Pete

[MarkyM]

Does the 6d-Temp rating mater at all? In the long run it will still be Euro6, I thought it was just to get manufacturers to tighten up their tests?

[biemmemik]

My V5C says EURO 6 CA2500MO. What does this even mean?

The links shared above seem to indicate that the X3 30d was compliant from August 2018, but I don’t know if that means that only vehicles produced from that point in time will meet Euro 6d-temp? I read that BMW vehicles have been meeting (in practice as opposed to in official tests) the strictest EURO 6d standard from way before.

My general feeling is that all this bad press against diesel is very unjustified given the much lower CO2 emissions compared to petrol. I also cannot see how a BMW X3 can be more fuel efficient with the same 2L petrol engine fit on the mini. (In the UK the only petrol engines are the 20i and the M40i). Which is why despite public concerns against diesel I had no doubt the 3L 6-cylinder diesel was the best engine for this car if you want a powerful car with good green credentials. Maybe I am wrong, but I’d be really keen to hear what other people think about this.

[biemmemik]

By the way, my vehicle has adblue, does this really make it euro 6d? I thought adblue has been around for a few years already?

[MarkyM]

Originally Posted by biemmemik

My V5C says EURO 6 CA2500MO. What does this even mean?

The links shared above seem to indicate that the X3 30d was compliant from August 2018, but I don’t know if that means that only vehicles produced from that point in time will meet Euro 6d-temp? I read that BMW vehicles have been meeting (in practice as opposed to in official tests) the strictest EURO 6d standard from way before.

My general feeling is that all this bad press against diesel is very unjustified given the much lower CO2 emissions compared to petrol. I also cannot see how a BMW X3 can be more fuel efficient with the same 2L petrol engine fit on the mini. (In the UK the only petrol engines are the 20i and the M40i). Which is why despite public concerns against diesel I had no doubt the 3L 6-cylinder diesel was the best engine for this car if you want a powerful car with good green credentials. Maybe I am wrong, but I’d be really keen to hear what other people think about this.

That's the same as on my M40i V5 document which is a April 2018 build

I think your right the G01 Diesels have always been upto the 6d temp standards it's just they weren't officially classified until August '18, I don't think you need to worry about it I doubt if it will be a separate classification, Euro5 was also updated though the years but now is just under one label

The reason people are down on diesel is not so much the co2, it is the particulate matter which is a lot worse than petrol engines apparently and that's the concern in city's

[MarkyM]

Originally Posted by biemmemik

By the way, my vehicle has adblue, does this really make it euro 6d? I thought adblue has been around for a few years already?

No it was just needed for the move from Euro5 to Euro6 on some models, F15 had it and I believe F25 also needed it

[biemmemik]

Originally Posted by MarkyM

That's the same as on my M40i V5 document which is a April 2018 build

I think your right the G01 Diesels have always been upto the 6d temp standards it's just they weren't officially classified until August '18, I don't think you need to worry about it I doubt if it will be a separate classification, Euro5 was also updated though the years but now is just under one label

The reason people are down on diesel is not so much the co2, it is the particulate matter which is a lot worse than petrol engines apparently and that's the concern in city's

Yes that’s exactly right. I wonder if one day the attention will go back to co2, which are increasing as people switch to petrol. What surprises me is that some people are so concerned about diesel despite it being very clean now that they rather buy a X3 20i than a 30d (if money isnt a problem). An M40i is of course an entirely different matter and a great setup!

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by biemmemik

By the way, my vehicle has adblue, does this really make it euro 6d? I thought adblue has been around for a few years already?

What's the NOx emission level for the vehicle? 168 mg/km? If so, that is Euro 6d-TEMP. Future Euro 6d will be less than 120 mg/km.

[biemmemik]

Where do I find the NOx emissions for my specific vehicle?

[MediaMan]

Originally Posted by biemmemik

My general feeling is that all this bad press against diesel is very unjustified.

Sadly, VW has a lot to answer for - very much a case of 'one sheep has fleas, so slaughter the flock syndrome'. IMO, there's not enough focus on eliminating diesel cars, vans, buses and HGV emitting excessive NOX. Where I live in the East Midlands, the local bus company (German owned....) still uses 52-plate vehicles.

The anti-diesel lobby cant answer when questioned about what kind of engine would power a truck hauling 30tons of aggregate.

There was even a proposal that deliveries for shops in the centre of Leicester would unload at a freight point on the outskirts of the city, then transfer goods to electric vehicles for final delivery. Great in theory, but in practice, as crackpot as some local politicians - especially given the bus issue noted above, and a swathe of black cabs are Euro 3 or 4 and have already had a hard life elsewhere.

[biemmemik]

Politicians in Europe are just being blind (or plain ignorant) and pushing people to buy small and inefficient (I am deliberately excl M40i!) petrol engines on big SUVs or even worse plug-in hybrid (which I think are great when use correctly) that end up never being charged with the plug (no fast charging available on any of them yet..).

I found my NOx emissions on the V5 - 0.020 g/km - seems a bit low compared to what I was expecting. Is that right? Perhaps still and NEDC figure? What do other 30d owners have on their V5?

[MarkyM]

Originally Posted by biemmemik

Politicians in Europe are just being blind (or plain ignorant) and pushing people to buy small and inefficient (I am deliberately excl M40i!) petrol engines on big SUVs or even worse plug-in hybrid (which I think are great when use correctly) that end up never being charged with the plug (no fast charging available on any of them yet..).

I found my NOx emissions on the V5 - 0.020 g/km - seems a bit low compared to what I was expecting. Is that right? Perhaps still and NEDC figure? What do other 30d owners have on their V5?

Figures haven't changed between euro6c and 6d/temp just the way they test them

It was because the test figures couldn't be replicated in real world conditions hence the new WLTP standards

I remember reading a while back though BMW were one of the best for achieving the published figures can't remember who was worst but could probably guess

[MarkyM]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

What's the NOx emission level for the vehicle? 168 mg/km? If so, that is Euro 6d-TEMP. Future Euro 6d will be less than 120 mg/km.

The Euro6 limit for NOx is 80mg/km for diesel and 60mg/km for Petrol, are you thinking of co2?

[SPMor]

https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=666

Maybe my post will interest you. At the moment I am stuck in legal battle because BMW claims that their public release was not intended for UK Market!

[biemmemik]

I appreciate all this emissions issue is and should not be a major point when buying a car but I got into it now and can’t help the urge to find out the thruth!

A website called Nextgreencar says NOx for the G01 30d is 48mg/km. My V5 says 20mg/km. How can figures be so different? I guess I don’t trust a random website with no official flavour to it on something like this, although this is also the most convenient option to think emissions are lower...

I am very tempted to just drop this issue entirely and just enjoy my X3 30d unconditionally! The truth of the matter is that we have all been brainwashed for way too long by this stupid anti-diesel political agenda (at least in EU/UK) when modern diesel are just way cleaner than what the street thinks. Period.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by MarkyM

The Euro6 limit for NOx is 80mg/km for diesel and 60mg/km for Petrol, are you thinking of co2?

Agree those figures are the baseline, but it is all fudged with the conformity factor of 2.1, giving the higher allowable figures I quoted and still complying.

Problem seems to be we have the official figures you quote, but they are not the actual figures engines have to achieve. The up coming Euro 6d (no TEMP) in 2020, brings those figures down with a conformity factor of 1.5. So still not down to the actual max. NOx figures as stated in Euro 6.

Totally confusing.

[MarkyM]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Agree those figures are the baseline, but it is all fudged with the conformity factor of 2.1, giving the higher allowable figures I quoted and still complying.

Problem seems to be we have the official figures you quote, but they are not the actual figures engines have to achieve. The up coming Euro 6d (no TEMP) in 2020, brings those figures down with a conformity factor of 1.5. So still not down to the actual max. NOx figures as stated in Euro 6.

Totally confusing.

Of course, I see what you mean now thanks 👍