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Why wouldn't BMW try to extend that success into new target customer areas?
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Generally, the brakes are very good in all BMWs.
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@ Jason
Prime Palbay for some X4 activity @ Spartanburg over the few weeks.
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having said this - can you tell us whether a M Performance Model is considered for the X4? According to this site the X4 may come as a M Performance Model with the Tri-Turbo Diesel engine from the M550d. Would be really nice ![]() |
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11-24-2012, 08:38 AM | #53 |
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I wounder if one day any of the plethora of X models from BMW might actually gain some decent off-road capability.....
![]() I might consider one instead of the Range Rover that will likely be the replacement of my current BMW.
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11-24-2012, 10:09 AM | #54 | |
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At Geneva 2013 there will be two new introductions to the M Performance line which will be European only models.
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The X series are higher-clearance, all wheel drive, [somewhat] larger cargo capacity versions of BMW sedans. That's their target; it's worked astoundingly well for them.
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Yeah, that seems like a long shot. It's just not good product alignment. People who want a strong off-roader buy a Land Rover. People who want a driver's car buy BMW. I much prefer the way our X3 drives to the way the LR2 drives, but I recognize that our X3 is not nearly as competent off road.
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Hopefully BMW will differentiate the X4 as much as they did with the X6 and X5. There is also the Range Rover Evoque, for those that's cross shopping that SAV market.
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I will want the higher driving position of a 4x4/SUV, but if I have to have a 4x4, I want to go and play with it off-road......afterall, what the point of having a 4x4 if you don't make use of it. A 4x4 that never goes off-road (or can't go off-road) is like buying a dog and barking yourself ![]() X3,X5,X6 etc might as well just be rwd.
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I live in an area with a very steep, long driveway and frequent icy conditions and often snow. FWD vehicles are in impossibility for me and I insist that visitors park up the street during winter. I'm a very active house/yard guy and must have some cargo capacity (mower, power washer rental, mulch, plants, occasional boxes). My '07 X3 is getting long in the tooth and hope get something more sporty with style. Been eyeing the A5 (love the body, all-wheel, fold down rear seats) but I can't get over the fact I will lament the overall lack of cargo. The X4 just may be an ideal fit. I just may have to head ot the NAIAS and steal a peak.
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This is a statement of fact, and is incorrect: "A 4x4 that never goes off-road (or can't go off-road) is like buying a dog and barking yourself" There's a lot more to all wheel drive than off-roading. AWD offers better traction and stability in bad weather conditions, and especially snow and ice. That's the point.
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People got along just fine all those years ago (me included) without fake 4x4's. Far too many people swallow the marketing crap that sees fit to dumb down the majority of the population into believing you 'need' a fake 4x4 to survive ....... and you really don't.
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Two things you're saying don't make sense: 1) 4x4 and AWD aren't the same thing. BMW doesn't make a true 4x4, but it's besides the point, because there's still a point to owning a 4x4 and driving it on-road only. 2) Just because you can "get by" without it doesn't make it pointless. I can "get by" riding a bicycle, but driving a car gets me there faster, and I'm not all sweaty when I arrive. An AWD car offers an improvement in stability and road holding under all conditions, and is especially advantageous in snow or ice. That's the point.
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