why no lane departure and active cruise control?

jbinbi · 01-04-2012, 10:08 AM

BMW has these options on other models, why not on the X3. It is new model? I was very disappointed that I could not get these on my X335.

bren · 01-04-2012, 10:36 AM

Maybe they assume x3 drivers are more likely to pay attention while driving?

Le Chef · 01-04-2012, 10:48 AM

They're both coming, but who knows when. If you look at the main instrument display, lit by sunlight behind you, you can see the features already printed on the display ready to go.

April1 · 01-04-2012, 11:15 AM

Strategic move of BMW..

Offer at low price > increased sales > more features > improved model > and new sales in the established market.

kingbadger · 01-04-2012, 11:27 AM

ACC is advertised as an option in the UK brochure (has been since launch in Dec 2010) but is still not available as an option. UK spec cars come with regular cruise control "with brake function" as standard. "Brake function" is simply that touching the brake automatically disengages CC. Big deal. Old technology. In fact so old as to be a minimum safety requirement in my view. I did once own a 1972 Alfa Romeo 1300 GT Junior which had a really scary CC: an almost-unreachable lever that simply locked the throttle cable in its current position. Only way to disengage was to push the lever back. Drop the clutch without and engine instantly redlines off the scale. Need to brake in a hurry and you either fight the engine with the brakes or wreck it by dropping the clutch. Like I said, scary! But it was such a beautiful car...

Here is a snip from the current UK X3 brochure:

Harplayr · 01-04-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kingbadger

ACC is advertised as an option in the UK brochure (has been since launch in Dec 2010) but is still not available as an option. UK spec cars come with regular cruise control "with brake function" as standard. "Brake function" is simply that touching the brake automatically disengages CC. Big deal. Old technology. In fact so old as to be a minimum safety requirement in my view. I did once own a 1972 Alfa Romeo 1300 GT Junior which had a really scary CC: an almost-unreachable lever that simply locked the throttle cable in its current position. Only way to disengage was to push the lever back. Drop the clutch without and engine instantly redlines off the scale. Need to brake in a hurry and you either fight the engine with the brakes or wreck it by dropping the clutch. Like I said, scary! But it was such a beautiful car...

Here is a snip from the current UK X3 brochure:

Actually break function will break the X3 when going downhill (instead of coasting) to maintain set speed. It works well.

kingbadger · 01-04-2012, 11:45 AM

Thanks Harplayr! I didn't know this. All the brochure says is this. I guess it can be implied, but most CC systems I have used only reduce speed by decelerating. Applying the brake to slow could be argued to be "active"

paul386 · 01-04-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Chef

They're both coming, but who knows when. If you look at the main instrument display, lit by sunlight behind you, you can see the features already printed on the display ready to go.

Not exactly true... you can find the same symbols in the E90 3 series instrument cluster... and that never got the features. It's just a common cluster used in other models that do offer the feature.

However, it does seem likely that BMW will offer these features with the LCI to stay competitive.

jbinbi · 01-04-2012, 03:12 PM

Still, lane departure available on 5 series and others, ACC available it looks like on everything else but maybe 1. I think they need this to stay competitive. Will be interesting to see what is coming for next year.

paul386 · 01-04-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jbinbi

Still, lane departure available on 5 series and others, ACC available it looks like on everything else but maybe 1. I think they need this to stay competitive. Will be interesting to see what is coming for next year.

The new F30 3 Series has it.

bren · 01-04-2012, 04:34 PM

Do you really have that much trouble keeping the car between the lines?

No way do I want some computer vibrating the steering wheel and flashing dash lights at me. Sounds like maybe you need to take the train.

sfax · 01-04-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bren

Do you really have that much trouble keeping the car between the lines?

No way do I want some computer vibrating the steering wheel and flashing dash lights at me. Sounds like maybe you need to take the train.

Although I agree with the sentiment, it is a very useful safety feature for those times when you suddenly feel tired and want to stop ASAP but can't do so safely. I would also insist on having it switched on with mrs sfax at the wheel as she has been known to drift and then deny all knowledge

bren · 01-04-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sfax

I would also insist on having it switched on with mrs sfax at the wheel as she has been known to drift and then deny all knowledge

April1 · 01-04-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bren

Do you really have that much trouble keeping the car between the lines?

No way do I want some computer vibrating the steering wheel and flashing dash lights at me. Sounds like maybe you need to take the train.

Lane Departure is a very useful safety feature specially when you are tired and there are chances of drifting to side lane. I got a life once when my eyes got closed for few seconds while driving in fortunately slow traffic. I will go for this feature any day available.

jdmass · 01-04-2012, 05:06 PM

I had lane departure and ACC on an Infiniti M and would not get them again. Lane departure in particular was so annoying that I disabled it. It would vibrate any time you approached the center line. I really enjoy driving and this was a constant nag. ACC wasn't bad but I'm not a big CC user and just didn't find it that useful for the substantial cost.

Now I did test drive an A6 with blind spot alerting and did kind of like that.

bren · 01-04-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by alokbhargava

Lane Departure is a very useful safety feature specially when you are tired and there are chances of drifting to side lane. I got a life once when my eyes got closed for few seconds while driving in fortunately slow traffic. I will go for this feature any day available.

Yeah that's great - let's get more options that allow us to nap and check our email while behind the wheel "driving."

April1 · 01-04-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmass

I had lane departure and ACC on an Infiniti M and would not get them again. Lane departure in particular was so annoying that I disabled it. It would vibrate any time you approached the center line. I really enjoy driving and this was a constant nag. ACC wasn't bad but I'm not a big CC user and just didn't find it that useful for the substantial cost.

Now I did test drive an A6 with blind spot alerting and did kind of like that.

We need a good Lane Departure system and not just one. I am not aware of BMW system but we have C63 AMG and its Lane Departure with Blind Sot detection is superb, we enjoy it.

Nahoa · 01-04-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bren

Yeah that's great - let's get more options that allow us to nap and check our email while behind the wheel "driving."

So, I'm guessing you're also not a fan of the brake light warning sensors either?

bren · 01-04-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nahoa

So, I'm guessing you're also not a fan of the brake light warning sensors either?

I'm not sure I know to what you are referring, but exactly what part of paying attention while driving do they negate?

Nahoa · 01-05-2012, 04:50 AM

Sorry, was trying to joke to reinforce your point -- how goofy would it be to have a sensor that identified brake lights ahead so we didn't need to watch for them ourselves. Apparently the joke didn't quite make it!!

bren · 01-05-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Nahoa

Sorry, was trying to joke to reinforce your point -- how goofy would it be to have a sensor that identified brake lights ahead so we didn't need to watch for them ourselves. Apparently the joke didn't quite make it!!

Hahaha, I wasn't sure how to take that.

Actually though, that's basically what's being advocated for with this auto cruise control gimmick.

jbinbi · 01-05-2012, 08:08 AM

I am for anything that improves safety. How many times have you been playing with idrive, on the phone, reading the phone and looked up and said, wow. Maybe everyone on this forum strictly adheres to only driving while completely alert and only looks at the road. So that is 0.01% of all drivers. For the other 99.99%, these things make safer situations. It's like saying, well we don't need a 3d brake light, they guy behind should be paying attention, we don't need running lights, you should be able to see the car, we don't need airbags, seatbelts are enough, we don't need mapquest, you can look at a map, we don't need navigation, isn't mapquest enough. Back in my day, we had to walk 8 mi to school , uphill each way, in the snow, with just newspapers on our feet.

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Le Chef Banned 16 Rep 412 Posts Drives: BMW X3 35i Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	They're both coming, but who knows when. If you look at the main instrument display, lit by sunlight behind you, you can see the features already printed on the display ready to go.
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April1 Love All 170 Rep 740 Posts Drives: X3 28i 2011 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (2)	Strategic move of BMW.. Offer at low price > increased sales > more features > improved model > and new sales in the established market.
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kingbadger Enlisted Member 0 Rep 33 Posts Drives: X3 (F25) 3.0D MSport Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Active Cruise Control vs. CC "With Brake Function" ACC is advertised as an option in the UK brochure (has been since launch in Dec 2010) but is still not available as an option. UK spec cars come with regular cruise control "with brake function" as standard. "Brake function" is simply that touching the brake automatically disengages CC. Big deal. Old technology. In fact so old as to be a minimum safety requirement in my view. I did once own a 1972 Alfa Romeo 1300 GT Junior which had a really scary CC: an almost-unreachable lever that simply locked the throttle cable in its current position. Only way to disengage was to push the lever back. Drop the clutch without and engine instantly redlines off the scale. Need to brake in a hurry and you either fight the engine with the brakes or wreck it by dropping the clutch. Like I said, scary! But it was such a beautiful car... Here is a snip from the current UK X3 brochure: Attached Images __________________ X3 F25 3.0D MSport - Carbon Black, Black Nevada, Professional Media, 6NR, DAB, variable dampers, folding mirrors, heated front seats, extended storage. Delivered 1st June 2012
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jbinbi Private First Class 36 Rep 109 Posts Drives: X3 35i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NE USA iTrader: (0)	Still, lane departure available on 5 series and others, ACC available it looks like on everything else but maybe 1. I think they need this to stay competitive. Will be interesting to see what is coming for next year.
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bren user 4 Rep 229 Posts Drives: German Camaro Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: MD iTrader: (0)	Do you really have that much trouble keeping the car between the lines? No way do I want some computer vibrating the steering wheel and flashing dash lights at me. Sounds like maybe you need to take the train.
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jdmass Private 11 Rep 95 Posts Drives: 2012 X3 xDrive35i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Westborough,MA iTrader: (1)	I had lane departure and ACC on an Infiniti M and would not get them again. Lane departure in particular was so annoying that I disabled it. It would vibrate any time you approached the center line. I really enjoy driving and this was a constant nag. ACC wasn't bad but I'm not a big CC user and just didn't find it that useful for the substantial cost. Now I did test drive an A6 with blind spot alerting and did kind of like that. __________________ Jim D. 2015 X3 xdrive28d Black Sapphire Metallic/Black Nevada/xLine, Cold Weather, DHP, DA, DA+ w/ACC, Lighting, Premium, NAV, HK Audio, Parking Assistant, Enhanced BT Previous BMWs: 2000 528i, 2003 540i, 2007 335i Sedan, 2009 335i Sedan, 2012 X3 xDrive35i
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Nahoa Lieutenant Colonel 45 Rep 1,876 Posts Drives: F25 35i Mineral Silver/Black Join Date: May 2008 Location: Virginia iTrader: (0)	Sorry, was trying to joke to reinforce your point -- how goofy would it be to have a sensor that identified brake lights ahead so we didn't need to watch for them ourselves. Apparently the joke didn't quite make it!! __________________
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jbinbi Private First Class 36 Rep 109 Posts Drives: X3 35i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NE USA iTrader: (0)	I am for anything that improves safety. How many times have you been playing with idrive, on the phone, reading the phone and looked up and said, wow. Maybe everyone on this forum strictly adheres to only driving while completely alert and only looks at the road. So that is 0.01% of all drivers. For the other 99.99%, these things make safer situations. It's like saying, well we don't need a 3d brake light, they guy behind should be paying attention, we don't need running lights, you should be able to see the car, we don't need airbags, seatbelts are enough, we don't need mapquest, you can look at a map, we don't need navigation, isn't mapquest enough. Back in my day, we had to walk 8 mi to school , uphill each way, in the snow, with just newspapers on our feet.
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