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      11-09-2011, 01:22 PM   #23
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Forums are the places where people bitch and whine about things that go wrong with whatever they bought - they rarely praise. What will be interesting to see are the various JD Power measures when they come out - Initial Satisfaction, and in about 2 years time reliability/dependability data. I suspect at this point the X3 is as reliable as any other brand new vehicle within the first 12 months of sales.

Inevitably if you buy any new vehicle within the first 12 months you take a risk as there's no data to show reliability. You have a choice to take that risk or to play safe and buy something that's been on the market long enough to have hard data. You can bitch and moan but you had a choice, and you chose to buy a X3 knowing those risks. Caveat emptor I believe still applies...
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Forums are the places where people bitch and whine about things that go wrong with whatever they bought - they rarely praise. What will be interesting to see are the various JD Power measures when they come out - Initial Satisfaction, and in about 2 years time reliability/dependability data. I suspect at this point the X3 is as reliable as any other brand new vehicle within the first 12 months of sales.

Inevitably if you buy any new vehicle within the first 12 months you take a risk as there's no data to show reliability. You have a choice to take that risk or to play safe and buy something that's been on the market long enough to have hard data. You can bitch and moan but you had a choice, and you chose to buy a X3 knowing those risks. Caveat emptor I believe still applies...
Agree with the first 12 months comments etc but most of us are more than pleased with our X3s and bang on about them on this forum along with praise
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In BMW's case particularly with the X3 series, it's a shame it was not Build to a target price with reliability.
Maybe you should cancel your order and buy something else if you feel that strongly about it.
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Maybe you should cancel your order and buy something else if you feel that strongly about it.
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Forums are the places where people bitch and whine about things that go wrong with whatever they bought - they rarely praise. What will be interesting to see are the various JD Power measures when they come out - Initial Satisfaction, and in about 2 years time reliability/dependability data. I suspect at this point the X3 is as reliable as any other brand new vehicle within the first 12 months of sales.

Inevitably if you buy any new vehicle within the first 12 months you take a risk as there's no data to show reliability. You have a choice to take that risk or to play safe and buy something that's been on the market long enough to have hard data. You can bitch and moan but you had a choice, and you chose to buy a X3 knowing those risks. Caveat emptor I believe still applies...

Totally agree. Forums are mostly populated by people asking questions prior to receiving their new car and for people to discuss the issues they find with their cars after receiving them. Those who are very happy with them usually have no reason to post on the forums because they are usually out enjoying their new car. Having said that, I am speaking about the majority, not all. Obviously plenty of us post to say how happy we are with our new cars....but we are probably in the minority. That's my opinion anyway.....and we all know opinions can't be wrong! We can just agree to disagree
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Maybe you should cancel your order and buy something else if you feel that strongly about it.
You may wish to read this:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=579821

Then give your opinions.
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Let's see when initial satisfaction numbers from JDP come through whether yours is an isolated case or not.
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I wonder if it would be practical to implement an NVH (well...the N part anyway) canceling system for luxury cars. Almost any car will ultimately develop its share of squeaks and rattles over time with varying levels of severity, so why not mount a few mics inside the dash and rig the stereo to emit canceling waves to dampen them just Bose does it for their headphones. The sound waves probably all lie in the upper frequency ranges so things like ear pressure shouldn't be much of a concern. Heck, make it adjustable where you can configure the dampening volume and tweak the frequencies you want cut out. Want to hear more bass from the engine roar? Slide the frequency filter to the upper range. Want mind-numbing serenity so you can listen to your Sounds of Peace and Tranquility CD recently purchased from your local day spa (totally made up that name by the way)? Crank up the gain...
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Lotus developed this for cars about 20 years ago. You can both cancel out noise and reconfigure what noise is acceptable. You have to allow some noise in from outside for safety reasons - like hearing an ambulance for instance. But you can also configure what engine noise you hear electronically, rather than physically, to ensure your Ferrari sounds like a diesel powered tractor when Ferris Bueller decides to borrow it on his day off from school. Anything above 3000rpm sounds like the engine is going to break...Or make your Golf diesel sound like a Ferrari.
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Let's see when initial satisfaction numbers from JDP come through whether yours is an isolated case or not.
Yea right;


Make: BMW Model: X3
Model Year: 2011
Manufacturer: BMW OF NORTH AMERICA, LLC Mfr's Report Date: JUN 28, 2011
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 11V341000 NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: STEERING:ELECTRIC POWER ASSIST SYSTEM
Potential Number of Units Affected: 51
Summary:
BMW IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2011 X3 PASSENGER VEHICLES MANUFACTURED FROM APRIL 27, 2011, THROUGH JUNE 8, 2011. A CONTROL MODULE IN THE ELECTRIC POWER STEERING (EPS) UNIT MAY MALFUNCTION, RESULTING IN A SUDDEN LOSS OF POWER STEERING ASSISTANCE.
Consequence:
SUDDEN LOSS OF POWER STEERING ASSISTANCE COULD INCREASE THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy:
BMW WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND DEALERS WILL REPAIR THE VEHICLES FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING AUGUST 2011. OWNERS MAY CONTACT BMW CUSTOMER RELATIONS AND SERVICES AT 1-800-525-7417.
Notes:
OWNERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV .

PLEASE NOTE; This fault is 6 months old and still not solved.
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Yea right;
Potential Number of Units Affected: 51
That's a tiny % of the total production run.
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All my rattles and noises have come and gone
Turns out my rattle which came back WAS down to german engineering, the culprit........my Hugo Boss briefcase
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I wonder if it would be practical to implement an NVH (well...the N part anyway) canceling system for luxury cars. Almost any car will ultimately develop its share of squeaks and rattles over time with varying levels of severity, so why not mount a few mics inside the dash and rig the stereo to emit canceling waves to dampen them just Bose does it for their headphones. The sound waves probably all lie in the upper frequency ranges so things like ear pressure shouldn't be much of a concern. Heck, make it adjustable where you can configure the dampening volume and tweak the frequencies you want cut out. Want to hear more bass from the engine roar? Slide the frequency filter to the upper range. Want mind-numbing serenity so you can listen to your Sounds of Peace and Tranquility CD recently purchased from your local day spa (totally made up that name by the way)? Crank up the gain...
You know you've lived in San Francisco too long.......

Does this mean all our cars will sound like Bose?

No highs, no lows, it must be Bose!
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