[philtrick123]

Just ordered my new X3 last week- then read the following article. Should I be worried? Does the X3 use the same system security as the 1 Series in the article?

Steve had CCTV cameras pointed on his BMW and they recorded the thieves smashing the BMW's window and accessing the car's 'OBD port' in the footwell to reprogramme a spare key. A void on the alarm meant the thieves could smash the glass and put their arm into the car without it going off.


http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/new-bmws-at-risk-of-theft

[philtrick123]

Sorry just seen the existing thread talking about this!

[Teemo Panda]

It currently affects the whole E series lineup.

I don't think it affects the F series yet, but I'd it did, BMW won't let this easily slide.

[BMWLVX]

Originally Posted by Teemo Panda

It currently affects the whole E series lineup.

I don't think it affects the F series yet, but I'd it did, BMW won't let this easily slide.

Cost of recall for BMW to do something vs the cost of a small percentage of vehicles being nicked worldwide using the obd port? Had your old E model BMW stolen? Come into our showroom and buy the latest F model

[X3andZ4owner]

Two X5s stolen in our street night to today, a 30sd and a 30d both year 2009...

[sfax]

Originally Posted by X3andZ4owner

Two X5s stolen in our street night to today, a 30sd and a 30d both year 2009...

New X5s are E70 not F series. More X5s stolen than any other car in the UK apparently. This thread has lots of details of OBD thefts and what people are doing to prevent them but still no mention of F series being stolen using OBD

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...blank+BMW+keys

[Teemo Panda]

Originally Posted by BMWLVX

Cost of recall for BMW to do something vs the cost of a small percentage of vehicles being nicked worldwide using the obd port? Had your old E model BMW stolen? Come into our showroom and buy the latest F model

I do have anF25

[Bimar]

Originally Posted by sfax

New X5s are E70 not F series. More X5s stolen than any other car in the UK apparently. This thread has lots of details of OBD thefts and what people are doing to prevent them but still no mention of F series being stolen using OBD

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...blank+BMW+keys

These stolen cars are they striped down, resold or used for joy riding?

[MattUK]

You gotta love BMW's attitude to this 'Not out problem mate'

[sfax]

Originally Posted by inamik75

These stolen cars are they striped down, resold or used for joy riding?

Mostly stolen to order. They usually ship them out to other countries in containers before you can say "very high frequency tracker" ;-)

[mooney058]

Originally Posted by sfax

Mostly stolen to order. They usually ship them out to other countries in containers before you can say "very high frequency tracker" ;-)

which countries does it go then - russia or further southeast? UK cars are RHD
- how useful would it be in countries with LHD?

[sfax]

Originally Posted by mooney058

which countries does it go then - russia or further southeast? UK cars are RHD
- how useful would it be in countries with LHD?

Africa mainly - or so I've read

[clivem2]

RHD countries:

Alderney (UK)
Anguilla (UK)
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Bermuda (UK)
Bhutan
Botswana
Brunei
Cayman Islands (UK)
Christmas Island (Australia)
Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Australia)
Cook Islands (New Zealand)
Cyprus
Dominica
East Timor (drove on right 1928-1976)
Falkland Islands (UK)
Fiji
Grenada
Guernsey (UK)
Guyana
Hong Kong (unlike mainland China)
India
Indonesia
Ireland
Isle of Man (UK)
Jamaica
Japan (Okinawa used not to)
Jersey (UK)
Kenya
Kiribati
Lesotho
Macau (unlike mainland China, and unlike Portugal)
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Mauritius
Montserrat (UK)
Mozambique
Namibia (1918)
Nauru (1918)
Nepal
New Zealand
Niue (New Zealand)
Norfolk Island (Australia)
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Pitcairn Islands (UK)
Saint Helena (UK)
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Seychelles
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Suriname
Swaziland
Tanzania
Thailand
Tokelau (New Zealand)
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)
Tuvalu
Uganda
United Kingdom
British Virgin Islands (UK)
US Virgin Is. (unlike rest of US)
Zambia
Zimbabwe

[sfax]

Originally Posted by clivem2

RHD countries:

Alderney (UK)
Anguilla (UK)
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Bermuda (UK)
Bhutan
Botswana
Brunei
Cayman Islands (UK)
Christmas Island (Australia)
Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Australia)
Cook Islands (New Zealand)
Cyprus
Dominica
East Timor (drove on right 1928-1976)
Falkland Islands (UK)
Fiji
Grenada
Guernsey (UK)
Guyana
Hong Kong (unlike mainland China)
India
Indonesia
Ireland
Isle of Man (UK)
Jamaica
Japan (Okinawa used not to)
Jersey (UK)
Kenya
Kiribati
Lesotho
Macau (unlike mainland China, and unlike Portugal)
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Mauritius
Montserrat (UK)
Mozambique
Namibia (1918)
Nauru (1918)
Nepal
New Zealand
Niue (New Zealand)
Norfolk Island (Australia)
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Pitcairn Islands (UK)
Saint Helena (UK)
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Seychelles
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Suriname
Swaziland
Tanzania
Thailand
Tokelau (New Zealand)
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)
Tuvalu
Uganda
United Kingdom
British Virgin Islands (UK)
US Virgin Is. (unlike rest of US)
Zambia
Zimbabwe

That list reads like a guilty echo of our colonial past

Uganda and Zimbabwe no doubt full of premium cars belonging to people from Surrey

I like the theories on why countries chose to drive on the left or right. Gentlemen on horseback pass each other on the left to leave the right arm free to shake hands with or lance the oncoming traveller

[clivem2]

Originally Posted by sfax

That list reads like a guilty echo of our colonial past

Uganda and Zimbabwe no doubt full of premium cars belonging to people from Surrey

I like the theories on why countries chose to drive on the left or right. Gentlemen on horseback pass each other on the left to leave the right arm free to shake hands with or lance the oncoming traveller

Or if we're being charitable to the UK, the Commonwealth :-)

I heard people mount their horses on the left, so the stone steps for this were on the LHS leading to RHD. Who knows...

[RhoXS]

BMW, like any other business, will indeed do nothing unless there is an overwhelming monetary advantage to do so. I suspect the population of cars stolen using the OBD access method described above is very very small compared to the number of cars produced. On the other hand, the cost to mitigate the problem alomost certainly includes some sort of mod to every susceptable car out there. That cost probably enormously exceeds the cost of the cars stolen or, more imprtant to BMW, any adverse effect on demand for their cars. In other words, do not fault BMW for ignoring the problem when no responsible executive cvould justify fixing the problem on already sold vehicles.

[X3andZ4owner]

Read and weep...

BMW ignores this stating this can't be done....

http://vag-info.com/BMW%20Group%20products.htm

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[sfax]

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=39

[clivem2]

My dealer has just confirmed to me that cars with keyless ignition are not effected by the key cloning issue. It seems only to be cars where you slide the key into a slot. Haven't a clue why but they must have changed something when they went keyless.

[DJ Daddy-O]

My car went for its service today and the dealer confirmed the same to me too. It is apparently different technology that is unaffected by the issue.

Interestingly he was saying that the real issue BMW are wrestling with is where these guys are getting the blank keys from. They should be kept very secure throughout the whole supply chain but clearly this is failing somewhere.

[Jan van Zyl]

BMW UK at least seems to be rising to the occasion: (X5 and X6 for now)

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/bmw-...cle4b_readmore