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      04-20-2012, 04:51 PM   #1
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2012 Diesel Vehicles in US...

BMW:VW-Audi-Porsche:MB is 2:8:5 ... http://www.dieselforum.org/index.cfm...n=DieselDirect
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      04-20-2012, 10:28 PM   #2
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Sad isn't it. The fact that diesel is not the fuel of choice for most if not all trap oration has always amazed me. I would easily swap all my non diesel vehicles for their diesel equivalents.
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      04-20-2012, 11:55 PM   #3
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Diesel is the only way to go for such vehicles. For the equivalent size engines you'll get way more torque, effortless driving, excellent/much better in-gear acceleration, and most of all, extraordinary gas mileage.
I'm an American living in Europe and stunned every one I know (including my self) when I switched - 330d, 335d and now an ordered X3 M 35d. Once you try one, you'll understand.
For larger vehicle, especially SUVs SAV etc its the better choice. Gas are more suited to smaller and light vehicles.
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      04-21-2012, 07:49 AM   #4
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Small and light cars also benefit from diesel. VW and MB sells every diesel then can get into Canada. It's too bad bmw is getting on this silly hybrid bandwagon with the i3 and i8.
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I too would buy diesel (but didn't want to pay for an X5). I'm amazed and angered by the cars we don't get in the US.
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haha, if you Americans would make more of a fuss about it we Canadians would also get diesels.
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I too would buy diesel (but didn't want to pay for an X5). I'm amazed and angered by the cars we don't get in the US.
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      04-21-2012, 10:18 AM   #7
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lbjgh you're right but many people in the US don't care or know the virtues of diesel. You Canadians already get cars we should get but don't.
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      04-21-2012, 10:25 AM   #8
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For sure we would have bought an X3 35D if it had been available. Didn't need anything bigger than the X3, so a compromise. As said before Americans are shockingly conservative when it comes to vehicle choices, so get denied a lot of the good stuff like an X35D or RS4 Avant, E63 Wagon etc.
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      04-21-2012, 01:37 PM   #9
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Just noticed that the only diesel left on bmwusa.com is the X5 35d. I've seen 335d at the local dealerships, but perhaps BMW isn't selling them for 2013 onward in the US?
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      04-21-2012, 02:32 PM   #10
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MB Canada sells about 80% diesels in the models where diesel sell side-by-side with petrol models.

MB is selling a diesel GLK for 2013.
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      04-22-2012, 03:32 AM   #11
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I do not want to appear like a spoilsport or sound negative about diesel.
But the future of diesel could mean expensive exhaust treatment technologies like SCR Selective Catalytic Reduction to reduce NOx, DPF Diesel Particulate Filter to reduce smoke with regeneration which increases fuel consumptiuon, maybe an Oxydizing Catalyst to reduce unburnt hydrocarbon levels. And the total cost could be equivalent to the engine cost, a specialist in the field once told me.
Mazda developed a Euro6 Diesel SUV without SCR, but I guess they use then a lot of EGR Exhaust Gas Recirculation to reduce NOx, but this increases fuel consumption and engine-out smoke.
The voices for diesel are based on the the experience of the past, but this cannot be used in future anymore.
Dont take me wrong. I love diesels. Actually, my professional career was in diesel and turbocharging performance. And I see the technical world changing. And the technical choices of the future might be different. E.g. in the shipping industry, LNG Liquefied Natural Gas is now considered as serious competition to Diesel in ECA Emission Controlled Areas (USA, Baltic..).
My conclusion is that we have to open our mind for different technical solutions. And that also includes hybrid in combination with a downsized hyper-turbocharged engine (could also be diesel).
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