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      11-19-2015, 01:53 PM   #1
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A post-purchase rationalization of 2016 model

So, it would seem, the 2017 model is coming shortly code named G01 to replace the existing F25 design. Since new model year comes out in April / May we are only 5-6 months from being able to purchase the new car.

One would wonder, should you buy the 2016 or wait until 2017? This decision is very personal for sure but here are my thoughts. Note this is coming from someone who has already put a deposit on a factory ordered 2016.

Here are some things to note:

1) There is evidence that the differences will be relatively small and incremental. The best indication of this is to look at the details on the new 3 series. It is likely the X3 will share the same base as this car and changes will be similar. In styling the differences are subtle but good. Interior is only a minor change. The biggest change is the 40i engine. This adds a welcome 20 HP but it's not a game changer by any means.

The X3 will likely also have the 40i engine. I would love the engine but I'm not sure I want to wait 6 months for it plus we need to deal with the other downside.

2) New car lines are notorious for worse reliability. They need to work out the kinks as they ship the first cars. It's not until about the third model year that things stabilize. The facelift year gives them a better opportunity to iron out all the issues. So, catching a car at the end of it's model lifetime is actually much much more reliable.

Resale is hard to predict but if the 2016 model year is demonstrably more reliable than the 2017 then this should make up for some of the new aspects of the 2017 model year. I suspect the difference in resale may be more minor than you think. At any rate, I hope to keep the car for at least 7 years, so these would be minor for me at any rate.

Anyway, that's my thoughts but I would be interested in other opinions.
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      11-19-2015, 02:31 PM   #2
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The new car is truly all new. The platform has more in common with the new 7 series than it does with the 3 series. It has already been stated all G code chassis cars, the new X3 is a G01, will use the carbon core structure pioneered on the new 7 series. Also, the new X3 will use the BDC based electrical architecture pioneered on the F15 X5 and showing up on all subsequent new releases of BMWs. Plus, like you mentioned the new B58 engine in the 40i as well as a likely M Performance model as in the X4. I personally am waiting on the new G01 to trade in my 2011 F25 for. But, I also agree the last model year F25 will be more reliable than the first model year G01.
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If you could get a steep discount on the new F25 I would get the F25 over the G01. If I had to get an F25 full MSRP with no discount, I would go for the G01.
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      11-19-2015, 02:42 PM   #4
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An interesting question where I find I'm pretty much in the same boat. After 4 and a bit great years with our X3 (our first BMW) we have been starting to think about what happens next. Here in Australia we probably wont see the new G01 X3 until the first half of 2017 (although that may change if we get the G01 from South Africa rather than the US).

I think you're correct when you say there wont be any significant changes from the current LCI F25. Yes for the petrol/gas engines we'll get the new 30i and 40i engines replacing the 28i and 35i, but these will only bring very modest power and fuel efficiency gains. On the diesel side we may see the new B57 engine replacing the long running N57 6 cylinder diesel. But again only modest improvements in output.

Based on the couple of spy shots of the G01, on the car itself I think we can only expect relatively minor changes from the LCI F25. We know it will retain its current RWD basis (unlike the F48 X1 which has gone FWD) and there will probably be only modest reductions in weight. Expectations are that size-wise it may get a little bigger. On the inside I don't expect much to change. Most of the improvements to equipment (LED headlights, auto cruise control etc) have been already made for the LCI F25.

Based on all of this at this stage we are not ruling out getting a 2016 F25 rather than wait for the G01. Our strategy will be to wait for up to 6 months to see what more details about the G01 comes out.

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      11-19-2015, 02:54 PM   #5
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An interesting question where I find I'm pretty much in the same boat. After 4 and a bit great years with our X3 (our first BMW) we have been starting to think about what happens next. Here in Australia we probably wont see the new G01 X3 until the first half of 2017 (although that may change if we get the G01 from South Africa rather than the US).

I think you're correct when you say there wont be any significant changes from the current LCI F25. Yes for the petrol/gas engines we'll get the new 30i and 40i engines replacing the 28i and 35i, but these will only bring very modest power and fuel efficiency gains. On the diesel side we may see the new B57 engine replacing the long running N57 6 cylinder diesel. But again only modest improvements in output.

Based on the couple of spy shots of the G01, on the car itself I think we can only expect relatively minor changes from the LCI F25. We know it will retain its current RWD basis (unlike the F48 X1 which has gone FWD) and there will probably be only modest reductions in weight. Expectations are that size-wise it may get a little bigger. On the inside I don't expect much to change. Most of the improvements to equipment (LED headlights, auto cruise control etc) have been already made for the LCI F25.

Based on all of this at this stage we are not ruling out getting a 2016 F25 rather than wait for the G01. Our strategy will be to wait for up to 6 months to see what more details about the G01 comes out.

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I agree, I bet the taillights will look more F15esque, but the headlights and interior will remain the same. Perhaps the bigger iDrive screen and customizable interior lighting as also seen in the F15 and New 7 Series will be evident.
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      11-19-2015, 05:17 PM   #6
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Right, it's the 2018 model year that the 3 series will move over to a G platform. Hmmm, I guess its not the best measure for the transition to 2017 model year for the X3.

Losing 100kg and an additional 20HP combined probably would push the 0 to 60 times below 5 seconds... I would love to pick up a 2019 model year X3 after the reliability issues have been worked out.

Or in 7 years I will catch the H platform... For now I will enjoy my well discounted 2016 X3.

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      11-19-2015, 06:38 PM   #7
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It would seem the G01 will be a marked advance over what we have now. For the first time in a number of years we are holding on to our 2012 X3 35i until the G01 40i arrives. While (whilst) we thoroughly enjoy our 2015 X3 35i as well, it just doesn't make sense to trade in our 2012 in for a virtually identical X3. For those not owning one now, a different story for sure. And one would hope as this is the third iteration in a series that a first year model won't be an issue. We didn't have any major problems with our 2011 X3 35i (which we traded in for the 2015). In the old days first year models could be more problematic than later year editions, but it would seem (and would be hoped) that current technology and testing would ease those concerns. With the cost of recalls and the profit loss those issues can cause, Mnfrs have a most selfish interest to make it right at the get go.
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      11-20-2015, 03:39 AM   #8
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As has been said, the G01 is likely to be a significantly different vehicle. My plan is this stage is to wait until a year after it's released and then get a full-spec 2015 M-Sport 2.0d with low mileage, as they're likely to have dropped a fair bit in value by then.

From a price consideration perspective, I have a sneaky suspicion we're in for a shock. With the F48 X1 having just become available here in South Africa, I had a look at one this week. Holy !#@$, in Sport 2.5i guise it was exactly the same price as an almost fully loaded X3 2.0d M-Sport. At first I thought it was just our terrible currency, but then I watched a UK review (Carbuyer.co.uk) and Mat Watson also lamented the ridiculous pricing. Let's hope we don't see the same with the G01...
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all good comments, especially pricing - I think it may be a shock.... so we have decided to keep our X3 (our first BMW and BEST car we have ever had) and replace our runaround with a i3!! - Dealer has a pre registered one with good discount - makes a perfect runaround town for "free" car- and will save any discussion about who takes which car on those days we both need one....lol
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I thought the G01 was going to be introduced in 2017!

I recently had a call from my dealer asking if I was interested in buying a new X3 and I said I wanted to hold on for the G01. I was told that there is no plan to introduce the new model (in the UK) until 2017. If this was true, I would consider buying a new F25 especially as there are big tax penalties being introduced in 2017 on cars over the value of £40k.
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I would go for G series Im sure the interior would have few upgrades.
I had 2012 X3 and my current is 2015 same issues are still there, noisy pano roof, rattles on interior trim. Nothing has change besides the cosmetic appearance.

My wife just picked up new x1, and its completely different interior and exterior comparing it to previous version.
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Doesn't BMW go on a 7 year cycle? If the F25 was introduced in 2010 as a 2011 model, then that would suggest the G series would be introduced in 2017 as a 2018 model. So If you bought a 2016, there should be another year of F25 production next year as 2017 model year.
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this is what l'automobile in France thinks the new X3 will look like.



And more information:

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/06/11/20...x3-renderings/
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      11-24-2015, 12:52 PM   #14
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It does seem that most sites say that it will be released in 2017. Although most sites call it a "2017 BMW X3." If it is released in 2017 then most likely it will be a 2018 model year.

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this is what l'automobile in France thinks the new X3 will look like.



And more information:

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/06/11/20...x3-renderings/
That's really great looking, love it.
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all good comments, especially pricing - I think it may be a shock.... so we have decided to keep our X3 (our first BMW and BEST car we have ever had) and replace our runaround with a i3!! - Dealer has a pre registered one with good discount - makes a perfect runaround town for "free" car- and will save any discussion about who takes which car on those days we both need one....lol
Fantastic cars the i3 and a perfect pairing for an X3

Had an i3 for seek through work and was very impressed with it
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I agree, I bet the taillights will look more F15esque, but the headlights and interior will remain the same. Perhaps the bigger iDrive screen and customizable interior lighting as also seen in the F15 and New 7 Series will be evident.
I suspect the interior will be the biggest difference. Having owned an F15 and F25... my biggest complaint w/ the F25 is the 2007-era interior.
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The G01 vs F25 is going to be huge. The F25 was developed after the stock market crash and thus cost cutting can be seen in the car. The plastics sound hollow and creak esp. on the hatch / trunk. If you compare it to the build quality of the current gen X5 and newer vehicles that have been release like the new X1, the build quality is far superior
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This week I traded in 2013 for 2016 x3. Would have preferred the G01 but could not wait as warranty was about due and higher trade in value now.
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After pricing the extended warranty, and finding out that doesn't cover the routine maintenance which is another few thousand dollars (I mistakenly thought it extended the full coverage as we have with a new vehicle), we have decided to cross our fingers and hope for the best until the G01 arrives and go without the extension.

It would be hoped that Scott26 can drop back by and give us all an idea as to when we can reasonably expect sales of the G01 line to begin (when BMW Corporate allows him to do so). There remains confusion as to whether it is a 2018 model to be released in 2017, or an earlier cycle release of a 2017 in 2016. I'm hoping the latter...
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Not sure if next BMW X3 will be out next year maybe 2017 if you go with 7 year rule. But for me 1st year model in European cars are a gamble. Look at new C class amazing interior but the workmanship and reliability, ishh and was rated top 20 worst car by consumer reports. For me on replacing will look at all options we have like Merc GLC, Jaguar F pace, macan facelift. If you want better reliability current X3 would no be a bad option if staying Bimmer, still think it's the business in its segment as an all rounder but have a feeling if the interior of C class is anything to go by the GLC could be a game changer interior wise in the segment.
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[edit]... but have a feeling if the interior of C class is anything to go by the GLC could be a game changer interior wise in the segment.
Absolutely agree. I viewed the GLC website this morning, and their marketing team seems to have done a great job with the GLC's introduction. The 'fit and finish' (which has been a frequently mentioned issue in many of our X3 threads) looks amazing online so if it is anywhere close to that in reality BMW has to take this offering from Mercedes as a very real threat to its X3. It will offer the air-matic suspension as X4guy requested in our 'Wish List for G01 (3rd Gen) X3 2017' thread back on 20 Aug 2014 and a host of other refinements. Assuming the handling, performance and reliability match its interior this could become an all-out battle for supremacy in this market segment. The 27 Jul 2015 Road Test at edmunds.com seemed positive in that regards. The one downside at this point for those wishing for more power is its initial release as a 241 HP only, but plans for larger engine sizes have already been discussed.

Whether BMW's research and development timeline for the X3 will allow for an earlier release in response to the GLC remains to be seen.
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