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Doh! That really throws a wrench in the works for my plan. See what you can do about getting that production date moved up, would you?
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I don't dislike the X5M (I would definitely pick up a used one for DD) and you have a valid point with regards to who built it. In reality it is a full blown M car. However, my statement that its not a real M car is my opinion and that's why I said it sounds wrong and that most here don't think of it as one. To me (and most likely some others) the x5m and x6m are bastards. They are not really representative of what M stands for. When I think of everything I love/loved about the M cars I have owned those vehicles have very little in common with them.
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228i coupe = $38,995 (does not include track package!) 235m coupe = $44,050 difference = $5,055 (prices are with same options) X4 28i = $45,650 X4 35i = $48,950 difference = $3,300 (basically the price you are paying for engine upgrade) point is the M40i isn't going to add $10,000 to the price, in fact it will probably only add another $3,000 or so to the price (over the 35i), $5,000 on the high end. meaning a nicely loaded X4 M40i should be no more than $65,000 (with the normal 4 year free maintenance) A Porsche Macan Turbo is $73,295 starting and $78,000 with the same options as the nicely loaded X4. Plus maintenance of a Porsche Turbo engine for 4 years! no way you can compare a Macan Turbo to the X4 M40i, the Macan S will be the correct comparison and price will pretty much be a tie (with same options), I have a feeling the X4 will win comparison tests (since the 35i is already on its heels) |
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Do we know what BMW is doing to get that kind of power from the n55? Are they changing internal engine parts or is it a combination of more boost, bigger intercooler, intake and exhaust changes, etc.?
It may be splitting hairs but if the main engine hardware is the same then I get people's complaint about an M2 having this engine.
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Anyone know if we'll get a 6MT in the US as some have reported? That would seal the deal for me
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To further pick a fight where I said I didn't want to lol I take issue with the entire stance. The XNM vehicles are to standard SUVs what MN cars are to standard cars. What does M stand for? If we trace it back to the very beginning, M took a standard road car and make it in to a superstar. Could the same not be said for the X5M and X6M? They're not real M cars because they're not cars at all, but they are still M made. They both get suspensions developed specifically for the M models, and they both get M engines. They're still SUVs, but they've been given the proper M treatment. Every seems to take issue with the fact that they're SUVs, but that's a baseless stance from which to make an argument. Ever heard of the European Truck Racing Championships? Enthusiasm for all things automobile knows no boundaries. I have no desire to own a racing semi, or any semi for that matter, but I'm sure Volvo enthusiasts don't begrudge Volvo for making racing semis. What "makes something M", is what "M makes". If M makes very special SUVs, then very special SUVs are real M. There's far more to be concerned about with regard to the dilution of M's values than the fact that they chose to make class-leading performance SUVs.
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In my experience , any enthusiast that actually drives an M car, generally comes away realizing DAMN that's a helluva car, whether it be an X5M SAV, an M6 gran coupe, a 1M coupe or an M3 sedan. Look at all the fools that declared the 1M " not a proper M car" . |
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Which makes me wonder,,, what if the x4 sells so well and BMW AG decides to actually make an X4M and/ or an X3M.... What would they put in it ? an S55? Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 10-22-2014 at 02:41 PM.. |
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Nice post. Everything isn't always greener on the Porsche side of the fence. |
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BMW already stated there will be no full M version for the current model cycle, but the new X3 is only 3 years away and I would be shocked if they didn't plan on a full M version since Audi has a SQ5 (although that will compete with the M40i), Porsche has the Macan Turbo, Mercedes will probably have an AMG GLK... Hopefully the new X3/X4 gets interior upgrades to actually make them similar to the 3/4 series (since the current ones use cheaper materials). Then why not put the S55 in them, with AWD and hopefully being even lighter than the current X3/X4 those would be fun as hell to drive. |
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The M Performance is laying the groundwork for the future. An actual X4 M was considered but because of the F26 life cycle it will be replaced by the G02 in 2018 which gives the first X4 just over 4 years on the market. It was not deemed economically viable so the M Performance is the stop-gap and to test the potential and demand for a further performance model. It could be a decision to regret with a full M model as the X4 is selling exceptionally well in its first few months on the global market. It is proving popular as in the early days of the first X6.
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I wasn't looking for an argument and I clarified that yes, the X5 M is an M car because Its built by M. I wasn't trying to dispute that at all but unfortunately ended up doing so. Although the fact that they are built in SC next to the regular X5 and X6 is worth noting IMO. Why don't you stop on over in the M4 forums and see how they criticize any car magazine that dares find fault with their car. Car and driver loves the new M4? great! new review that isnt as positive? its a rag anyway! Or maybe the thread where its expensive watches pictured in your M car. So I do apologize for lowering the standards of car discussion around here by saying that the X5M isn't representative of what M stands for in my opinion. M cars aren't just about taking a vehicle and making it special. I think thats dumbing it down. There was always driver involvement. That is severely lacking with those SUVs. Is that because they are SUVs? Not sure. They are fast and handle OK but the driving experience lacks that involvement which makes Ms so special. Now maybe I would feel the same way if I drove a new M5 too and maybe the new M2 will have this issue as well. So hopefully these comments are nuanced enough to be deemed worthy of bimmerpost forums.
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now we know why the X4 only has exhaust on one side. of course it's going to be offset another $5K+ for this version.
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It's ok. PM sent.
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@Jason/@SCOTT26, I'm genuinely confused. If the X4 M40i isn't a full blown M model, and the M2 is, why do they share the N55B30T0? If the X4 M40i is a stop-gap until the X4M arrives (most likely given the X5M and X6M exist) then does that mean the upcoming M2 with the N55B30T0 is also a stop-gap, especially since the Production lifecycle for the X4 M40i and M2 are essentially the same? Does that mean that the next (G-series) M2 in four to five years will be a full-blown M model with a bespoke S-series engine (either S55 or S58)? And with the B58 succeeding the N55, and the B58 being linked to the 140i/240i/340i/440i, shouldn't the X4 M40i also use the B58? I though the N55 was linked to the current M135/235i/335i/435i models. Interested to know your thoughts. Last edited by 135; 10-23-2014 at 01:29 AM.. |
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