Auto gearbox jerking(shaking) on low rpm - XBimmers

macphin · 09-29-2012, 05:58 AM

Is anyone had same issue, when you start driving on 1200-1500 rpm car or transmission shakes, in the moment when I start acceleration, but very very slowly.

Nahoa · 09-29-2012, 06:55 AM

If by shake, you might mean what I'd describe as a lurch (speeding-slowing), then yes. I've experienced this since the "lag" software update.

lbjgh · 09-29-2012, 07:24 AM

I think I know what you are talking about because I did notice that a couple times when my car was fairly new, i.e. first month of ownership.

There has been no further evidence of it so I chalked it up to the adaptive transmission learning how I drive.

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Originally Posted by macphin

Is anyone had same issue, when you start driving on 1200-1500 rpm car or transmission shakes, in the moment when I start acceleration, but very very slowly.

RichardBR · 09-29-2012, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by macphin

Is anyone had same issue, when you start driving on 1200-1500 rpm car or transmission shakes, in the moment when I start acceleration, but very very slowly.

I got it too. I have the 30d engine and it's very noticeable both in comfort and sport. My car was built February 2012. I first noticed this after 3500km. Now after 17000km it's worse than ever.

Had the dealer look at it a few weeks ago but they said they wouldn't upgrade to the latest software because BMW found a bug in it. The did not know anything more about when a fix is due.

DonC · 09-29-2012, 11:07 PM

No issues in my 3.5i

matteowade · 09-30-2012, 10:44 AM

I have experienced a jerking or pulsating on acceleration in that RPM range on my 2013 28i.

I asked the dealer about it and they said they couldn't reproduce it and it was likely due to the gas I was using. Of course.

I don't think its the transmission though. Because I've gone into manual and experienced it too.

Interestingly, I haven't experienced it since the weather here has cooled off. Seems like I will have the issue occasionally if the temp outside is above 85F or so.

sivakumarbalu · 10-01-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by macphin

Is anyone had same issue, when you start driving on 1200-1500 rpm car or transmission shakes, in the moment when I start acceleration, but very very slowly.

I mainly use public transit for work, so I take out the car once in 2 or 3 days.

Jerking (sometimes you feel like engine is going to stall like popping a clutch in manual transmission) happens when I start driving the car immediately after ignition. If I leave the engine idling for couple of minutes and start driving then I don't notice the shakes.

I assumed that car was parked for more than 2 days so the lurching happens...as someone mentioned it's been happening since s/w updated for throttle delay. I only use 93 octane.

macluhak · 10-04-2012, 08:59 AM

I've had this for some time now.
However I was lucky enough to be able to reproduce with a service manager driving the car.
They've tried to "fix" the car three times now. Not counting the first occasion when they brushed me off, blaming the DPF regeneration. The thing is I used to drive an X1 2.0d before the X3, never had any jerking or shuddering (manual box). Except for when the wife refused to use the stick...

Anyhow, just received a phonecall from my service manager. I'm scheduled for a complete software update on 22 October. This software was promised end of August. According to my service manager, this software will for sure solve my problems.

I'll keep you posted on the progress.

macphin · 10-05-2012, 08:20 AM

Thanks, I guess it's a software related issue. Will be waiting for new software, and if somebody could write in this thread when the new software will be released, so I can check with my dealer.

kolien · 10-15-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardBR

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Originally Posted by macphin

Is anyone had same issue, when you start driving on 1200-1500 rpm car or transmission shakes, in the moment when I start acceleration, but very very slowly.

I got it too. I have the 30d engine and it's very noticeable both in comfort and sport. My car was built February 2012. I first noticed this after 3500km. Now after 17000km it's worse than ever.

Had the dealer look at it a few weeks ago but they said they wouldn't upgrade to the latest software because BMW found a bug in it. The did not know anything more about when a fix is due.

I have a 3.0D x3, 2012. I have recently had my engine software updated. It was changed on September 18 after experiencing jerkiness at low rpms. Much improved afterwards but still some very subtle jerkiness from time to time and not every day. Dealer suspected EGR problems and changed valve parameters in the EGR in addition to changing a air mass sensor.

What sw version do you refer to?

RichardBR · 10-15-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kolien

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Originally Posted by RichardBR

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Originally Posted by macphin

Is anyone had same issue, when you start driving on 1200-1500 rpm car or transmission shakes, in the moment when I start acceleration, but very very slowly.

I got it too. I have the 30d engine and it's very noticeable both in comfort and sport. My car was built February 2012. I first noticed this after 3500km. Now after 17000km it's worse than ever.

Had the dealer look at it a few weeks ago but they said they wouldn't upgrade to the latest software because BMW found a bug in it. The did not know anything more about when a fix is due.

I have a 3.0D x3, 2012. I have recently had my engine software updated. It was changed on September 18 after experiencing jerkiness at low rpms. Much improved afterwards but still some very subtle jerkiness from time to time and not every day. Dealer suspected EGR problems and changed valve parameters in the EGR in addition to changing a air mass sensor.

What sw version do you refer to?

Don't know the SW version. They showed me an internal e-mail about it. Will certainly call them and ask if there are new software.

211hk or 258?

kolien · 10-16-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardBR

Don't know the SW version. They showed me an internal e-mail about it. Will certainly call them and ask if there are new software.

211hk or 258?

211HK, production date 2011-12-01
I will see if I can get the SW version also.

gareth12468 · 10-16-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nahoa

If by shake, you might mean what I'd describe as a lurch (speeding-slowing), then yes. I've experienced this since the "lag" software update.

Mine have the same thing happen before the engine warmed up every day after the software update.

dathrilla · 10-23-2012, 04:16 AM

I have this issue too, 30d '12.

philtrick123 · 10-23-2012, 04:29 AM

Can someone describe this issue in more detail. I'm interested to see if I can reproduce the problem on my 30d se.

RichardBR · 10-30-2012, 02:37 AM

Jerking is gone after changing from summer to winter setup. I swithed to winter setup 8 days ago, and I can almost say the issue is gone. It's very strange. I have the 369M staggered 19" wheels on my summer setup, and have standard 17" 305 wheels on winter.

If the problem is the staggered 369M's, why would BMW deliver these?
Could it be the tyres? Have the factory default PZero's on the 369M's and have Nokian Hakkapelitta on the 305's.

Or is it just a coincidense?

HighlandPete · 10-30-2012, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardBR

Jerking is gone after changing from summer to winter setup. I swithed to winter setup 8 days ago, and I can almost say the issue is gone. It's very strange. I have the 369M staggered 19" wheels on my summer setup, and have standard 17" 305 wheels on winter.

If the problem is the staggered 369M's, why would BMW deliver these?
Could it be the tyres? Have the factory default PZero's on the 369M's and have Nokian Hakkapelitta on the 305's.

Or is it just a coincidense?

To me, that appears to indicate a slight drivetrain 'bunching' issue on the staggered tyres.

Slight variations in tyre pressures and tread depth could be involved, and a staggered setup with a small RC difference, could just push the limits to make the drivetrain very sensitive.

Are others with the issues on staggered wheel setups?

HighlandPete

lbjgh · 10-30-2012, 05:21 PM

Interesting development. My car is a square setup (same width front/rear) so maybe bmw did find an issue with the staggered setup.

RichardBR · 10-31-2012, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardBR

Jerking is gone after changing from summer to winter setup. I swithed to winter setup 8 days ago, and I can almost say the issue is gone. It's very strange. I have the 369M staggered 19" wheels on my summer setup, and have standard 17" 305 wheels on winter.

If the problem is the staggered 369M's, why would BMW deliver these?
Could it be the tyres? Have the factory default PZero's on the 369M's and have Nokian Hakkapelitta on the 305's.

Or is it just a coincidense?

It was just a coincidense about the tires. Today, the jerking was back in full. Probably just a few days break because of the cold weather...

Which makes me think that it is outside temperature related?

On cold days (below 0C) = No jerking
Above 0C = Jerking

Any thoughts?

Richard

macluhak · 11-02-2012, 03:48 AM

On my 30d the judder seems to be related to engine temp. I find that judder may occur when the engine temp needle started registering increased temp and up to about 75-80 degrees C.

And yes, I posted earlier on possible solution with software update. Unfortunately the software did not solve my problem completely. The judder is still there, just less violent, and for sure less frequent.

I'll be talking to my service rep. Don't expect much from them though.

09-29-2012, 05:58 AM	#1
macphin New Member Drives: 325i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Latvia Posts: 17 iTrader: (0)	Auto gearbox jerking(shaking) on low rpm Is anyone had same issue, when you start driving on 1200-1500 rpm car or transmission shakes, in the moment when I start acceleration, but very very slowly.
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09-29-2012, 06:55 AM	#2
Nahoa Lieutenant Colonel Drives: F25 35i Mineral Silver/Black Join Date: May 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,853 iTrader: (0)	If by shake, you might mean what I'd describe as a lurch (speeding-slowing), then yes. I've experienced this since the "lag" software update. __________________

09-29-2012, 11:07 PM	#5
DonC Second Lieutenant Drives: 2013 X3 3.5i M sport, etc Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: near Seattle Posts: 236 iTrader: (0)	No issues in my 3.5i __________________ 2013 X3 3.5i AW,Msprt,rear fogs,PS,CP, Tech, etc... Other cars 2005 S2000 2007 TL-S

10-04-2012, 08:59 AM	#8
macluhak Registered Drives: X3 30d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Bonn Posts: 3 iTrader: (0)	I've had this for some time now. However I was lucky enough to be able to reproduce with a service manager driving the car. They've tried to "fix" the car three times now. Not counting the first occasion when they brushed me off, blaming the DPF regeneration. The thing is I used to drive an X1 2.0d before the X3, never had any jerking or shuddering (manual box). Except for when the wife refused to use the stick... Anyhow, just received a phonecall from my service manager. I'm scheduled for a complete software update on 22 October. This software was promised end of August. According to my service manager, this software will for sure solve my problems. I'll keep you posted on the progress. Last edited by macluhak; 10-04-2012 at 09:00 AM. Reason: typos

10-30-2012, 02:37 AM	#16
RichardBR Second Lieutenant Drives: 2012 BMW X3 30D Msport DSB Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 232 iTrader: (0)	Jerking is gone after changing from summer to winter setup. I swithed to winter setup 8 days ago, and I can almost say the issue is gone. It's very strange. I have the 369M staggered 19" wheels on my summer setup, and have standard 17" 305 wheels on winter. If the problem is the staggered 369M's, why would BMW deliver these? Could it be the tyres? Have the factory default PZero's on the 369M's and have Nokian Hakkapelitta on the 305's. Or is it just a coincidense? Last edited by RichardBR; 10-30-2012 at 06:19 AM.

09-30-2012, 10:44 AM	#6
matteowade Enlisted Member Drives: 2013 BMW X3 28i Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 33 iTrader: (0)	I have experienced a jerking or pulsating on acceleration in that RPM range on my 2013 28i. I asked the dealer about it and they said they couldn't reproduce it and it was likely due to the gas I was using. Of course. I don't think its the transmission though. Because I've gone into manual and experienced it too. Interestingly, I haven't experienced it since the weather here has cooled off. Seems like I will have the issue occasionally if the temp outside is above 85F or so.

10-05-2012, 08:20 AM	#9
macphin New Member Drives: 325i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Latvia Posts: 17 iTrader: (0)	Thanks, I guess it's a software related issue. Will be waiting for new software, and if somebody could write in this thread when the new software will be released, so I can check with my dealer.

10-23-2012, 04:16 AM	#14
dathrilla New Member Drives: X3 20d on order Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: CH Posts: 15 iTrader: (0)	I have this issue too, 30d '12.

10-23-2012, 04:29 AM	#15
philtrick123 Second Lieutenant Drives: TBA Join Date: May 2012 Location: Maidenhead Posts: 238 iTrader: (0)	Can someone describe this issue in more detail. I'm interested to see if I can reproduce the problem on my 30d se.

10-30-2012, 05:21 PM	#18
lbjgh Major Drives: 2013 AW X3 M-Sport Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North of Toronto Posts: 1,242 iTrader: (0)	Interesting development. My car is a square setup (same width front/rear) so maybe bmw did find an issue with the staggered setup. __________________ 2013, AW, xDrive35i, M Sport Package, Technology Package, Dynamic Comfort Package, Premium Package, 3M Clear Bra, Euro foglight switch, a few coded fixes

11-02-2012, 03:48 AM	#20
macluhak Registered Drives: X3 30d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Bonn Posts: 3 iTrader: (0)	Jerking temp related On my 30d the judder seems to be related to engine temp. I find that judder may occur when the engine temp needle started registering increased temp and up to about 75-80 degrees C. And yes, I posted earlier on possible solution with software update. Unfortunately the software did not solve my problem completely. The judder is still there, just less violent, and for sure less frequent. I'll be talking to my service rep. Don't expect much from them though.

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